September 2009 - VoiceOps - lists.voiceops.org

ipv6 is for real (was Re: CPE IAD recommendations)
by jsahala＠gmail.com Sept. 16, 2009

Sept. 16, 2009

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Kenny Sallee <kenny.sallee at gmail.com> wrote: [cut] > This is a little off topic but...Are any ISP's using IPv6 for connectivity > with their customers?? ?What application are you all looking to use it for > (internal or external use)? ?I know it's needed and understand IP addressing > and issues with v4 and v6. ?Just?trying to gauge if this is a lab project > you are talking about or if ipv6 is starting to be used in the 'real-world' yes, ipv6 is real and available, even from u.s. isps (who are about a decade behind most european providers). comcast is also rolling it out to cable subscribers in certain markets. google is available over v6, yahoo should have some of their stuff on v6 too. sadly voice softswitch vendors are lagging way behind in ipv6 (some are barely up to 1990s technologies/standards in ipv4, so i'm not terribly surprised). a lot of "enterprise" cisco kit is barely v6 capable as well... so in terms of viability of using v6 for voip interconnection, it will be a few years /joshua -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams -

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Switch Pricing
by carlos＠race.com Sept. 15, 2009

Sept. 15, 2009

It also helps out to wait till the last day on the quarter to submit your PO you'll find that they are willing to drop pricing. -carlos -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Sorensen, Marty Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:05 AM To: Richey; 'Brandon Lehmann'; voiceops at voiceops.org; abalashov at evaristesys.com Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Switch Pricing Speaking as a FORMER sales guy, and having done the mating dance with at least two of the vendors named below, there are so many options with any of the switches its really difficult to get a budgetary number that's actionable for any of them without having at least a high level discussion with a sales team. We generally get better information from a Systems Engineer if you can work that out. Also sharing the timeframe when you MIGHT invest helps, particularly if its not in their present fiscal year which is where most good sales persons are laser focused. Just my two cents. -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Richey Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:06 AM To: 'Brandon Lehmann'; voiceops at voiceops.org; abalashov at evaristesys.com Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Switch Pricing I am hoping it's not as bad as some vendors. It seems like once you might have a small tad bit of interest the flood gates open. Times are tough and it seems like I am bombarded with more sales related calls than ever. In the last year or so I've tried to weed things out by asking questions like this so I don't spend half of my day talking to sales guys. Richey -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Lehmann Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:37 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org; abalashov at evaristesys.com Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Switch Pricing I don't know whether I should laugh or cry at your synopsis. Alex and others are right though. The only way you'll find even a ball park price is to do the sales mating dance. I don't know how many times I've had to talk to sales rep for 4+ weeks just to get a rough idea at what we *MIGHT* spend. In all honesty, it is usually worth it as they are usually able to take your requirements (A) your budget (B) and somehow find a product in their lineup that combines the two into (C). Then again, since you are new to the hardware; talking to them might be beneficial to you as you'll quickly learn what you do and do not need. Some times a sales pitch isn't such a bad thing. Happy dancing. On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:48:02 -0400, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote: > You want actual $$$ figures? That flies in the face of all market > segmentation practices in enterprise pricing. Not going to happen. > > The "process" is for the sales representative to talk to you, feel you > out, get a sense of the purchasing power and budgetary climate of your > company ("what you're worth"), and then generate a "custom" quote > "just for you!" > > Richey wrote: > >> I've been asked to start researching our next soft switch that will >> replace an asterisk based VoIP platform. Currently were reselling >> service in other markets that are outside of our home market. So I am >> starting my research on Meta, Sonus, Broadsoft, and some competing >> platforms. What I can't find is what is the price range on anything >> without talking to sales and even at that it's usually a long drawn out >> process at least that's my experience with other gear. I would really >> like to find out the price range on some of these switches. I am not >> looking for specific pricing just kind of a ball park. >> >> >> >> Right now I am still in the idea stage. We just started the process of >> negotiating interconnection agreements so I don't expect us to get real >> serious on a switch selection until early 2010. In the meantime I want >> to learn as much as I can about possible gear but I don't want to spend >> time on something I don't think will be close to the budget. >> >> >> >> Richey >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> VoiceOps mailing list >> VoiceOps at voiceops.org >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops -- Brandon Lehmann BitRadius, LLC Email: brandon at bitradius.com Web: http://www.bitradius.com Phone: 567-255-3610x9500 Toll-Free: 888-608-7253x9500 Fax: 567-255-3611 _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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Switch Pricing
by mylists＠battleop.com Sept. 15, 2009

Sept. 15, 2009

I've been asked to start researching our next soft switch that will replace an asterisk based VoIP platform. Currently were reselling service in other markets that are outside of our home market. So I am starting my research on Meta, Sonus, Broadsoft, and some competing platforms. What I can't find is what is the price range on anything without talking to sales and even at that it's usually a long drawn out process at least that's my experience with other gear. I would really like to find out the price range on some of these switches. I am not looking for specific pricing just kind of a ball park. Right now I am still in the idea stage. We just started the process of negotiating interconnection agreements so I don't expect us to get real serious on a switch selection until early 2010. In the meantime I want to learn as much as I can about possible gear but I don't want to spend time on something I don't think will be close to the budget. Richey

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FW: CPE IAD recommendations
by mylists＠battleop.com Sept. 14, 2009

Sept. 14, 2009

If you are looking for a T1/Ethernet Cisco 2431-8FXS / 2431-16FXS. On the grey / bay market they are about 500 to 700 depending on which way the wind blows. I have used the Adtran 900 series routers and had a really bad experience with some Mitel SX200s but I have one running with an Intertel that would not work with a Cisco over at T1 port. Linksys has one as well but it?s Ethernet only. I can?t remember the model but it is an 8 port we are using at a very picky customer?s office. Not a word out of him since we turned the box up a month ago. (knock on simulated wood grain) Richey From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of eseifer at comcast.net Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:40 PM To: VoiceOps Subject: [VoiceOps] CPE IAD recommendations Hello, Can anyone recommend a small market Integrated Access Device (IAD) that is capable of being a SIP Trunk endpoint with Broadsoft? I have a few points of criteria that we are looking at: 1. Supports up to 8 FXS ports. 2. Compatible with keyed-system PBX's. 3. Prefer a manufacturer with a strong, responsive support team. 4. Price: around $500. Thanks, Eric

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Softswitch Pricing.
by richey＠aicmail.net Sept. 14, 2009

Sept. 14, 2009

I've been asked to start researching our next soft switch that will replace an asterisk based VoIP platform. Currently were reselling service in other markets that are outside of our home market. So I am starting my research on Meta, Sonus, Broadsoft, and some competing platforms. What I can't find is what is the price range on anything without talking to sales and even at that it's usually a long drawn out process at least that's my experience with other gear. I would really like to find out the price range on some of these switches. I am not looking for specific pricing just kind of a ball park. Right now I am still in the idea stage. We just started the process of negotiating interconnection agreements so I don't expect us to get real serious on a switch selection until early 2010. In the meantime I want to learn as much as I can about possible gear but I don't want to spend time on something I don't think will be close to the budget. Richey

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(no subject)
by kevinkarch＠vackinc.com Sept. 14, 2009

Sept. 14, 2009

Kevin L. Karch Network Specialist Direct: 847-833-8810 Fax: 847-985-5550 Email: kevinkarch at vackinc.com

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Acme: EMS or CLI?
by scott＠sberkman.net Sept. 14, 2009

Sept. 14, 2009

So for all the Acme users out there, is the huge cost for the EMS worth it to you? How many people use CLI vs EMS for their day to day actions? Some things lend more towards CLI (linux, cisco, asterisk) and some things just lend more towards GUI (Metaswitch, Broadsoft, Sonus Insight). -Scott

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Patent case against VoIP gateway vendors
by lindsey＠e-c-group.com Sept. 11, 2009

Sept. 11, 2009

An old US Robotics patent from the early 90's is the basis for a new patent lawsuit against most of the big VoIP gateway vendors. MetaSwitch, Sonus, Cisco, and Audiocodes are among the targets. You can get the court filings (for free) and my informal IANAL technical analysis of the case: http://www.200ok.info/2009/09/ianal-analysis-of-patent-5912888-claims.html I am not a lawyer. mark r lindsey at e-c-group.com http://e-c-group.com/~lindsey +12293160013

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Question for NexTone SBC Users
by mcallahan＠bullseyetelecom.com Sept. 11, 2009

Sept. 11, 2009

We've been using NexTone's MSX session boarder controller product for the past several years. While our experience with support and maintenance on this product was not great under NexTone, our experience with Genband -- the latest owner of the NexTone product line -- leaves quite a bit more to be desired. Is anyone on the list using someone other than Genband for support on a NexTone SBC? If so, whom and how has your experience been? Thanks, Mike

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Integra Telecom switch operator
by jonathan＠thurmantech.com Sept. 9, 2009

Sept. 9, 2009

Could a switch operator from Integra Telecom in Oregon please contact me off-list? -Jonathan

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