Very true...unless CLECs still order UNE loops or resale services from the ILEC there's not a whole lot of incentive to become a CLEC! MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2021-02-10 01:48 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:
That does indeed sound infinitely more economical and bureaucratically attainable. Why would anyone who provides primarily or exclusively IP telecom services want to be a CLEC anymore, unless specialising in regional wholesale PSTN connectivity, needing rights-of-way to build own network, or something of that ilk?
-- Alex
On 2/10/21 2:26 PM, Mary Lou Carey wrote:
Verizon will allow PSTN Connection Providers to put both IPES and CLEC NXXs on their existing trunk groups. AT&T and Lumen only allow PSTN Connection Providers to put IPES NXXs on their existing trunks. You are correct that for CLECs, AT&T and Lumen require the PSTN Connection Providers to build separate trunk groups in each LATA the CLEC operates in.
That's why it's becoming more beneficial to become an IPES provider. The other benefit is that CLECs have to be certified in every state and order an OCN for each state. IPES providers get certified for the entire country at one time and only have one OCN to identify their NXXs across the entire country. When IPES providers file NRUF reports, they only have to submit 1 NRUF report for their OCN vs CLECs who have to submit one NRUF report for every OCN they have.
Becoming an IPES provider also eliminates the need for SS7 links and SS7 routes! You usually pay a per-port charge for the connection to the PSTN Connection provider and a per-minute charge fee for all the traffic (as opposed to getting local traffic for free), but you don't have the cost of the SS7 network or SS7 routes.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2021-02-10 01:13 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:
Mary Lou,
To make sure I understand: the PSTN connection providers have to build separate tandem trunk groups in each respective LATA for CLEC NXXs vs IPES NXXs?
? Sent from mobile, with due apologies for brevity and errors.
On Feb 10, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Mary Lou Carey <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
?They still do it....I just helped a client connect with them recently. All the PSTN Connection providers prefer that CLECs get certified as IPES providers though because AT&T and Lumen (fka CenturyLink) will only allow the PSTN connection providers to add IPES NXXs to their existing trunks. AT&T and Lumen make the PSTN connection providers install separate trunk groups for CLEC NXXs.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2021-02-09 12:43 PM, Jared Geiger wrote: Wide Voice used to run the PSTN connectivity (they may still do it, I haven't investigated) for FreeConferenceCall.com and other similar services. They probably had to change up the business model when intercarrier compensation rates dried up.
On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 3:55 PM Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote: That's the first I've heard of Wide Voice. Their network looks little sparse at the moment. I wonder if it's on-demand, as in once you inquire about a LATA, they build it out. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ------------------------- From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 5:33:19 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Connecting to Remote Tandems You can get a PSTN Connection Service from Peerless or Wide Voice. Inteliquent used to offer that service but they have backed away from it recently. To make it simple, you have to get certified as an Interconnected VOIP carrier and then set up SIP trunks with your PSTN Connection provider. You order a POI CLLI and LRN NXX for every LATA that you want to enter and point your traffic to the PSTN Connection provider's switch in the LERG. You still have all your own NXXs and LRNs, but you can get rid of your SS7 network because the PSTN Connection Service Provider handles that piece. You still do all your own porting and maintain all your connections with 911, LD, VOIP providers. If you want more information on how it all works, just message me privately. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2021-02-08 03:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Due to receiving several offlist e-mails about this point, I wanted to > point out that I'm not looking to do SIP directly to an ILEC tandem. I > assume there would be some abstraction layer happening by a third > party. > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > ------------------------- > From: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> > To: "VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> > Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 9:24:57 AM > Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Connecting to Remote Tandems > I did want to circle back on this. > I am currently a CLEC with traditional voice services in a single LATA > on a single set of tandems. We have SS7, do our own porting, etc. > I understand that going interconnected VoIP (instead of CLEC) may be > easier for my expansions. > So that I don't have to drag T1s all over the place, what options do I > have in front of me? To be clear, I am looking for specific providers > and products, even off-list solicitations. > I'm not afraid of T1s, they're just expensive. I got a quote for > a > single T1 to the facility where the other tandem in our LATA is, and > it was far more expensive than just sending the calls out our > termination providers. If I need more than one T1 (one for each > tandem), then I'm really priced out of the market. Obviously that > course of action wouldn't help me for my own number blocks. > I looked at straight DID\minute services, but as some of our past (and > potential future) customers have several hundreds of DIDs > compared to > the amount of traffic they'd have, that gets a difficult to operate > in. > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > ------------------------- > From: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> > To: "VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> > Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 2:42:37 PM > Subject: [VoiceOps] Connecting to Remote Tandems > I'm evaluating methods of extending our footprint. I purposely left > out company names. > One of the companies we talked to was really only interested in > getting us the inbound long distance calls, not the local ones. Well, > they would, but the terms were vastly different. > Given that I still need to build out to connect to the local tandem, > what's the point in using a third party to connect to long distance? > Are the terms for connecting to the local tandems different because > the access tandem is simpler, whereas the local tandem could > potentially involve connections to a bunch of other switches, > once > volume dictated I needed direct connections...? and they don't want to > deal with that? > Are there third parties that don't have vastly different terms > for > local tandem services? > Also, is it likely that I just don't understand what's going on? > I > went circles with the sales rep to make sure I understood what he was > saying, but I could be wrong. > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps at voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps at voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps at voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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