Hi Ross, This differs from the "ecosystem" models that Peerless, Intelepeer etc offer where you can "peer" with their other customers - i.e., you're still paying a per minute fee, you're just paying a slightly lower one. It would have a flat rate cost per "dip" or even a flat membership fee based on number of subscribers, instead of per-minute fees. But monetization is for a later time. This idea would not be a carrier - it would be a pure tandem, or "exchange point for SIP", more like how internet exchange points operate. And it would work across all carriers in the North American Numbering Plan. You would not have to be a subscriber of a particular reseller/carrier. Jawaid On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 5:08?PM Ross Tajvar <ross at tajvar.io> wrote:
This sounds like a carrier with a lot of SIP peers, which is already a thing that exists today. It also requires a lot of time and work to build, because you need some traffic for the other side to justify the cost to interconnect with you.
On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:05?PM Jawaid Bazyar via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
Hi,
I am joining this thread late, but, would anyone out there be interested in exchanging traffic with other carriers directly over SIP?
The service would just look like a carrier, except it would know how to reach all other participants directly with SIP, bypassing TDM land, and enabling rich media as a fringe benefit, as media would be direct between endpoints.
I have a proof of concept and am wondering who out there might be willing to do some testing.
Email me directly if interested, to talk about your network and how something like this might fit in.
Cheers,
Jawaid
On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 1:49?PM Mary Lou Carey via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
If you already have SS7 services via Sigtran then going into a Frontier area would just be a matter of adding another SS7 for that tandem.
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On 2023-10-12 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* We take SIGTRAN over IPSec over the public Internet, then convert to SS7 over DS1s in some old Ciscos.
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From: "Nick Olsen" <nick at 141networks.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:04:03 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
We use them at $DAYJOB. We've had no issues with syniverse themselves in the recent years while I've been at the company. But plenty of issues with the transport providers to reach them. Luckily never both at the same time. Including a number of instances of flapping. Note, these are A-Links over TDM, not SIGTRAN at this time.
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 4:22?PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
Anyone in here using Syniverse for these services and can speak to their reliability?
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case you may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look at another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not sure if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has.
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On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else.
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them
via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
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On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a > few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to > spread the costs over? > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > ------------------------- > > From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> > To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> > Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM > Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape > > Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through > these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the > local LEC's legacy network. > >> On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> >> wrote: >> >> Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until >> the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES >> for expansion markets, though. >> >> Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as >> the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large >> customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for >> failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the >> operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 >> diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call >> path. >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com [1] >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> http://www.midwest-ix.com [2] >> >> ------------------------- >> >> From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> >> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> >> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> >> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape >> >> Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems >> (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make >> and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on >> it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the >> worse it's gonna get. >> >> TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore. >> >>> On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand >>> them to be a big dog in that space. >>> >>> I've had two major problems with them in six months. >>> >>> What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant? >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com [1] >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com [2] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> VoiceOps mailing list >>> VoiceOps at voiceops.org >>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > > > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://www.ics-il.com/ > [2] http://www.midwest-ix.com/ > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps at voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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