I?m not a lawyer nor a legal strategist, but I see few downsides in going to war for it. At the very least, the matter will go to the general counsel and maybe get some actual attention. ? Alex
On Mar 23, 2023, at 2:47 AM, Paul Timmins via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
I can?t imagine why the new user of the number would want all those misdirected calls, it?ll probably cost them a pretty penny. What a mess for everyone.
On Mar 23, 2023, at 00:57, Peter Beckman via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
?Have the customer sue Thinq, if they feel it is worth it.
Or ask Thinq to pay the customer some amount.
Otherwise move on, learn never to trust your carriers, constantly monitor and validate them, and hope you'll avoid a similar issue in the future.
Beckman
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023, Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps wrote:
To get everyone updated, we were just told that nothing will be done, and our customer is just out of luck on what they have already spent publicizing the incorrectly assigned number. I have no idea yet if/how they will try to pass this cost to us, or if/when lawyers will get involved. Mistakes happen of course, but in this chain of events, who is liable for actual costs due to some amount of negligence?
On Mar 14, 2023 at 9:48:09 PM, Todd Wolf <twolf at wolftechgroup.com> wrote:
Bill copy and signed resporg documents...should show a clear path of ownership. If your docs supersede the one after the fact and you didn't release the number or lose it due to non payment with notice etc..
-----Original Message----- From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> On Behalf Of Peter Beckman via VoiceOps Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 9:30 PM To: Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> Cc: VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] TF number ported out/re-assigned without authorization
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023, Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps wrote:
On Mar 14, 2023 at 2:03:17 PM, Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> wrote:
We've also put numbers into production that our carrier provided,
only to find out they should not have been in their inventory at all.
I?ve learned this lesson, hence the test calls. But this is a new one
on me; how often should we have to test all of our numbers??
Should you HAVE to? Never. How often do you NEED to, so you can avoid situations like this? Once every 2 weeks in my estimation, unfortunately.
I tried to find an affordable way to ensure that the ILEC/CLEC/Resporg of one of our numbers had not changed, but I couldn't find one. I also found that if the number moved internally, e.g. one Bandwidth customer to another, I'd never detect it. Test Calls and SMS messages seemed to be the most deterministic indicator.
I will commend and recommend Alcazar Networks for offering a very reliable, though about 24 hours out of date, LNP/LRN API at affordable rates. USD$0.00025 per extended query, or a flat rate for higher usage.
https://www.alcazarnetworks.com/data_services_lnp_lrn.php
Anyone know of a RespOrg API that would tell us information about a TF number?
That?s uglier than a Pontiac Aztek.
But reliably detects carrier failures.
I just hope thinQ can handle this. Looking at our call records vs
their TF number history, it?s clear when it was ours, then taken, then
given out again. I believe someone else on the list suggested that
previous ownership is superior to current ownership? If it comes down
to that, anyone know the process to enforce it?
The challenge here is what is ownership?
Really, nobody owns a phone number. NANPA leases it to carriers, and carriers lease it to companies or individuals. It is up to the carrier to lease it to only one entity. Thinq failed to do so. IMHO Thinq should be working their butts off to fix this for you.
I do not know of an FCC rule that would help you scare Thinq into doing the right thing and fixing this.
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