E.164 doesn't include formatting for humans. E.164 => +12125004000 E.123 => +1 212 500 4000 (International) => (212) 500-4000 (National) => 212-500-4000 (National) We utilize E.164 when we want our servers to discuss phone numbers. We utilize E.123 when we want to convert the E.164 phone number into something more useful for human consumption. It's kind of like IPv4 addresses: A 32-bit number is harder to remember than 4 8-bit numbers each separated by a period. The crux of the issue is that 168 countries' International Format in libphonenumber looks like +44 207 597 2524 +39 4324 8893 Whereas Ecuador, Argentina, and the NANPA countries are: +1 212-500-4000 +593 4-443-3335 +54 2222 22-2224 My argument is that NANPA, Argentina, and Ecuador should be formatted for International as: +1 212 500 4000 +593 4 443 3335 +54 2222 22 2224 Beckman On Thu, 3 Mar 2022, Oren Yehezkely wrote:
Peter,
I thought during all those years that the standard is called E.164. I also thought that a phone number has no spaces or dashes. These are only added to help humans read the phone numbers.
We also used the libphonenumber and I think it is great to help us standardize. It works for all countries so I am not sure what's missing. I am sure you can add anything that you want after you normalize the number using the function.
Thanks, Oren
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022, 22:04 Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> wrote:
Hey all --
I hope and trust that most of you are fans of standards.
I need some help convincing Google's libphonenumber team to follow the published ITU E.123 Number Formatting standard for +1 NANPA, Ecuador, and Argentina.
tl;dr -- Please comment in support here:
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/221095104
Long Version:
I love standards. They are often unambiguous and organize all of us around a common understanding of how we are going to interoperate. Everything we do in our daily work can be tied back to a standard:
- TCP/IP, hell the whole OSI Model - SIP, RTP - ITU E.164, E.123, SS7, ISDN, DSL - DNS, Email, TLS/SSL
It seems weird that an International company like Google, who practically exists ONLY BECAUSE these standards existed for Google to emerge from, is being picky about implementing a phone number formatting standard published in 2008.
The crux: 168 countries use spaces in their International Format 2 countries outside of +1 NANPA, Ecuador and Argentina have dashes 25 countries in +1 NANPA all use +1 NPA-NXX-XXXX as the International Format
ITU E.123 states in 9.1:
Only spaces should be used in an international number.
Thus the correct output would be '+1 NPA NXX XXXX' for the INTERNATIONAL format.
I'm all for using (NPA) NXX-XXXX or NPA-NXX-XXXX for any of the other formats.
I'm just trying to get support from the community to get rid of Dashes entirely in the INTERNATIONAL Format of phone numbers.
Your support and comment is appreciated.
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