Fax is dead. Long live fax. We've resisted supporting it, but customers still need it on occasion, and they hate having a separate landline carrier just for a fax line. So I'm wondering what others here use successfully to provide their customers with a "fax line" to a physical machine. We would only use a handful of them, and only with our customers who have a fully managed service (IE, 2-3ms connection directly to us over MPLS). We run Asterisk and pass T.38 to a few carriers. We currently do fax to e-mail inbound on Asterisk with no issues. Volume is very light, maybe 3-5 per day per customer, so things like the Vitelity FaxEnable don't make economic sense ($25/mo unlimited our cost).
Vitelity fax service is the best I know of. (With or without the FaxEnable device.) I suspect that they are actually using some sort of modem bank to send and receive faxes. (I would love to hear from someone who can confirm or deny this.) You don't have to pay for the *unlimited *FaxEnable service. You can purchase a FaxEnable device from them. (I think they are ~$100), pay a small price for DID, and then pay per minute for faxing. All that being said, I would love to find a service that handled fax as well as Vitelity. I only use Vitelity for fax service because I can't find a better option. I am not a huge fan of their support or customer control panel. Sincerely, Keln Taylor 870-204-2121 kelntaylor at gmail.com On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
Fax is dead. Long live fax.
We've resisted supporting it, but customers still need it on occasion, and they hate having a separate landline carrier just for a fax line. So I'm wondering what others here use successfully to provide their customers with a "fax line" to a physical machine. We would only use a handful of them, and only with our customers who have a fully managed service (IE, 2-3ms connection directly to us over MPLS). We run Asterisk and pass T.38 to a few carriers. We currently do fax to e-mail inbound on Asterisk with no issues.
Volume is very light, maybe 3-5 per day per customer, so things like the Vitelity FaxEnable don't make economic sense ($25/mo unlimited our cost).
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I am pretty sure all these carriers just use HTTPS Faxback technology. I know Concord Fax provides wholesale fax service to Momentum Telecom. All that I have seen require an Audiocodes HTTPS fax adapter. Not sure what runs the server piece. Is there anything opensouce that supports HTTPS fax? No, I am not talking about SIP or T.38 that shit doesn't work well. On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
Fax is dead. Long live fax.
We've resisted supporting it, but customers still need it on occasion, and they hate having a separate landline carrier just for a fax line. So I'm wondering what others here use successfully to provide their customers with a "fax line" to a physical machine. We would only use a handful of them, and only with our customers who have a fully managed service (IE, 2-3ms connection directly to us over MPLS). We run Asterisk and pass T.38 to a few carriers. We currently do fax to e-mail inbound on Asterisk with no issues.
Volume is very light, maybe 3-5 per day per customer, so things like the Vitelity FaxEnable don't make economic sense ($25/mo unlimited our cost).
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The interfaces for delivering fax that I know about are: 1. Modem tones embedded in acoustic/bearer path; 2. T.38 (to gateway with TDM or analog PSTN trunks). Is there another method I don't know about? On April 27, 2017 7:35:42 PM EDT, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
I am pretty sure all these carriers just use HTTPS Faxback technology. I know Concord Fax provides wholesale fax service to Momentum Telecom. All that I have seen require an Audiocodes HTTPS fax adapter. Not sure what runs the server piece. Is there anything opensouce that supports HTTPS fax? No, I am not talking about SIP or T.38 that shit doesn't work well.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
Fax is dead. Long live fax.
We've resisted supporting it, but customers still need it on occasion, and they hate having a separate landline carrier just for a fax line. So I'm wondering what others here use successfully to provide their customers with a "fax line" to a physical machine. We would only use a handful of them, and only with our customers who have a fully managed service (IE, 2-3ms connection directly to us over MPLS). We run Asterisk and pass T.38 to a few carriers. We currently do fax to e-mail inbound on Asterisk with no issues.
Volume is very light, maybe 3-5 per day per customer, so things like the Vitelity FaxEnable don't make economic sense ($25/mo unlimited our cost).
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Yes, there are boxes that store and forward the fax. They "answer" the call from the machine and accept the fax. Then they use HTTP(S) to deliver the image to a server, where it is then again sent as a fax to the endpoint. Which in many cases converts it back to an image, and e-mails it to someone. If this all sounds completely retarded since it's really just scanning and e-mailing, you are correct. But people are stupid. On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
The interfaces for delivering fax that I know about are:
1. Modem tones embedded in acoustic/bearer path;
2. T.38 (to gateway with TDM or analog PSTN trunks).
Is there another method I don't know about?
On April 27, 2017 7:35:42 PM EDT, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
I am pretty sure all these carriers just use HTTPS Faxback technology. I know Concord Fax provides wholesale fax service to Momentum Telecom. All that I have seen require an Audiocodes HTTPS fax adapter. Not sure what runs the server piece. Is there anything opensouce that supports HTTPS fax? No, I am not talking about SIP or T.38 that shit doesn't work well.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
Fax is dead. Long live fax.
We've resisted supporting it, but customers still need it on occasion, and they hate having a separate landline carrier just for a fax line. So I'm wondering what others here use successfully to provide their customers with a "fax line" to a physical machine. We would only use a handful of them, and only with our customers who have a fully managed service (IE, 2-3ms connection directly to us over MPLS). We run Asterisk and pass T.38 to a few carriers. We currently do fax to e-mail inbound on Asterisk with no issues.
Volume is very light, maybe 3-5 per day per customer, so things like the Vitelity FaxEnable don't make economic sense ($25/mo unlimited our cost).
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Alex knows about that old method, too, I'm sure. The part that gets me is the law firms. Once they realize their fax machine isn't directly squealing into the destination fax machine, they freak out. On the other hand, any entity that has no problem with connectionless faxing should be an easy target to talk into some sort of efax solution. It's absurd we are still discussing traditional faxing as a serious means of communication. Nick
On Apr 27, 2017, at 7:47 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, there are boxes that store and forward the fax. They "answer" the call from the machine and accept the fax. Then they use HTTP(S) to deliver the image to a server, where it is then again sent as a fax to the endpoint. Which in many cases converts it back to an image, and e-mails it to someone.
If this all sounds completely retarded since it's really just scanning and e-mailing, you are correct. But people are stupid.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote: The interfaces for delivering fax that I know about are:
1. Modem tones embedded in acoustic/bearer path;
2. T.38 (to gateway with TDM or analog PSTN trunks).
Is there another method I don't know about?
On April 27, 2017 7:35:42 PM EDT, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
I am pretty sure all these carriers just use HTTPS Faxback technology. I know Concord Fax provides wholesale fax service to Momentum Telecom. All that I have seen require an Audiocodes HTTPS fax adapter. Not sure what runs the server piece. Is there anything opensouce that supports HTTPS fax? No, I am not talking about SIP or T.38 that shit doesn't work well.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
Fax is dead. Long live fax.
We've resisted supporting it, but customers still need it on occasion, and they hate having a separate landline carrier just for a fax line. So I'm wondering what others here use successfully to provide their customers with a "fax line" to a physical machine. We would only use a handful of them, and only with our customers who have a fully managed service (IE, 2-3ms connection directly to us over MPLS). We run Asterisk and pass T.38 to a few carriers. We currently do fax to e-mail inbound on Asterisk with no issues.
Volume is very light, maybe 3-5 per day per customer, so things like the Vitelity FaxEnable don't make economic sense ($25/mo unlimited our cost).
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Maybe we've just been lucky, but our law customers really love new tech. In fact if I could just work for law offices all the time I'd love it. So low maintenance. As to the absurdity of any kind of fax...yeah... On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Nicholas Sten <nicksten at gmail.com> wrote:
Alex knows about that old method, too, I'm sure. The part that gets me is the law firms. Once they realize their fax machine isn't directly squealing into the destination fax machine, they freak out. On the other hand, any entity that has no problem with connectionless faxing should be an easy target to talk into some sort of efax solution.
It's absurd we are still discussing traditional faxing as a serious means of communication.
Nick
On Apr 27, 2017, at 7:47 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, there are boxes that store and forward the fax. They "answer" the call from the machine and accept the fax. Then they use HTTP(S) to deliver the image to a server, where it is then again sent as a fax to the endpoint. Which in many cases converts it back to an image, and e-mails it to someone.
If this all sounds completely retarded since it's really just scanning and e-mailing, you are correct. But people are stupid.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
The interfaces for delivering fax that I know about are:
1. Modem tones embedded in acoustic/bearer path;
2. T.38 (to gateway with TDM or analog PSTN trunks).
Is there another method I don't know about?
On April 27, 2017 7:35:42 PM EDT, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
I am pretty sure all these carriers just use HTTPS Faxback technology. I know Concord Fax provides wholesale fax service to Momentum Telecom. All that I have seen require an Audiocodes HTTPS fax adapter. Not sure what runs the server piece. Is there anything opensouce that supports HTTPS fax? No, I am not talking about SIP or T.38 that shit doesn't work well.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
Fax is dead. Long live fax.
We've resisted supporting it, but customers still need it on occasion, and they hate having a separate landline carrier just for a fax line. So I'm wondering what others here use successfully to provide their customers with a "fax line" to a physical machine. We would only use a handful of them, and only with our customers who have a fully managed service (IE, 2-3ms connection directly to us over MPLS). We run Asterisk and pass T.38 to a few carriers. We currently do fax to e-mail inbound on Asterisk with no issues.
Volume is very light, maybe 3-5 per day per customer, so things like the Vitelity FaxEnable don't make economic sense ($25/mo unlimited our cost).
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The point I was driving at is the fax is no longer a fax as they understand it. That gives some lawyers pause when they understand what that means. For those that understand and aren't bothered by the change in technology should also understand that simply emailing a scanned document to be printed out later is exactly the same in terms of technology at this point: analog data turned into digital data and sent as bits. If that doesn't make them have the a-ha moment that faxes are unnecessary, nothing will.
On Apr 27, 2017, at 9:14 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe we've just been lucky, but our law customers really love new tech. In fact if I could just work for law offices all the time I'd love it. So low maintenance.
As to the absurdity of any kind of fax...yeah...
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Nicholas Sten <nicksten at gmail.com> wrote: Alex knows about that old method, too, I'm sure. The part that gets me is the law firms. Once they realize their fax machine isn't directly squealing into the destination fax machine, they freak out. On the other hand, any entity that has no problem with connectionless faxing should be an easy target to talk into some sort of efax solution.
It's absurd we are still discussing traditional faxing as a serious means of communication.
Nick
On Apr 27, 2017, at 7:47 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, there are boxes that store and forward the fax. They "answer" the call from the machine and accept the fax. Then they use HTTP(S) to deliver the image to a server, where it is then again sent as a fax to the endpoint. Which in many cases converts it back to an image, and e-mails it to someone.
If this all sounds completely retarded since it's really just scanning and e-mailing, you are correct. But people are stupid.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote: The interfaces for delivering fax that I know about are:
1. Modem tones embedded in acoustic/bearer path;
2. T.38 (to gateway with TDM or analog PSTN trunks).
Is there another method I don't know about?
On April 27, 2017 7:35:42 PM EDT, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
I am pretty sure all these carriers just use HTTPS Faxback technology. I know Concord Fax provides wholesale fax service to Momentum Telecom. All that I have seen require an Audiocodes HTTPS fax adapter. Not sure what runs the server piece. Is there anything opensouce that supports HTTPS fax? No, I am not talking about SIP or T.38 that shit doesn't work well.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
Fax is dead. Long live fax.
We've resisted supporting it, but customers still need it on occasion, and they hate having a separate landline carrier just for a fax line. So I'm wondering what others here use successfully to provide their customers with a "fax line" to a physical machine. We would only use a handful of them, and only with our customers who have a fully managed service (IE, 2-3ms connection directly to us over MPLS). We run Asterisk and pass T.38 to a few carriers. We currently do fax to e-mail inbound on Asterisk with no issues.
Volume is very light, maybe 3-5 per day per customer, so things like the Vitelity FaxEnable don't make economic sense ($25/mo unlimited our cost).
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Has anyone used or looked at ictfax? I'm not sure if it's being maintained or not but looks good Thanks, Shripal
On Apr 27, 2017, at 7:42 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
The interfaces for delivering fax that I know about are:
1. Modem tones embedded in acoustic/bearer path;
2. T.38 (to gateway with TDM or analog PSTN trunks).
Is there another method I don't know about?
On April 27, 2017 7:35:42 PM EDT, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote: I am pretty sure all these carriers just use HTTPS Faxback technology. I know Concord Fax provides wholesale fax service to Momentum Telecom. All that I have seen require an Audiocodes HTTPS fax adapter. Not sure what runs the server piece. Is there anything opensouce that supports HTTPS fax? No, I am not talking about SIP or T.38 that shit doesn't work well.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
Fax is dead. Long live fax.
We've resisted supporting it, but customers still need it on occasion, and they hate having a separate landline carrier just for a fax line. So I'm wondering what others here use successfully to provide their customers with a "fax line" to a physical machine. We would only use a handful of them, and only with our customers who have a fully managed service (IE, 2-3ms connection directly to us over MPLS). We run Asterisk and pass T.38 to a few carriers. We currently do fax to e-mail inbound on Asterisk with no issues.
Volume is very light, maybe 3-5 per day per customer, so things like the Vitelity FaxEnable don't make economic sense ($25/mo unlimited our cost).
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www.faxback.com They own the codes that runs on the audiocodes mp202b. We have deployed their solution a couple of years ago and it has been a huge success. We have an ata and fax2email solution. --Jared Ball -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fax ATAs/devices From: Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> Date: Apr 27, 2017, 4:36 PM To: Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> I am pretty sure all these carriers just use HTTPS Faxback technology. I know Concord Fax provides wholesale fax service to Momentum Telecom. All that I have seen require an Audiocodes HTTPS fax adapter. Not sure what runs the server piece. Is there anything opensouce that supports HTTPS fax? No, I am not talking about SIP or T.38 that shit doesn't work well. On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com<mailto:caalvarez at gmail.com>> wrote: Fax is dead. Long live fax. We've resisted supporting it, but customers still need it on occasion, and they hate having a separate landline carrier just for a fax line. So I'm wondering what others here use successfully to provide their customers with a "fax line" to a physical machine. We would only use a handful of them, and only with our customers who have a fully managed service (IE, 2-3ms connection directly to us over MPLS). We run Asterisk and pass T.38 to a few carriers. We currently do fax to e-mail inbound on Asterisk with no issues. Volume is very light, maybe 3-5 per day per customer, so things like the Vitelity FaxEnable don't make economic sense ($25/mo unlimited our cost). _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__puck.nether.net_mailman_listinfo_voiceops&d=DwMFaQ&c=N13-TaG7c-EYAiUNohBk74oLRjUiBTwVm-KSnr4bPSc&r=jySYuR6eMC8QV4OSFJ9QjB8IqDM3pNYE6owt4BX1R3s&m=Yi8vTbtE5iB0ZfwZju19SaRrXsOuN7pzzSifMcyPKV8&s=PVGQTkbfkd3Aa0lGaN3QoTEzOj7Uu1mSSv--K7uwpeM&e=> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately by return email and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
Not providing fax still leaves the local telco with one foot in the door. Also, if you are not careful the one pots line a business gets for faxing is likely to get published as their main number. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [VoiceOps] Fax ATAs/devices From: Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> Date: Apr 27, 2017, 2:31 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Fax is dead. Long live fax. We've resisted supporting it, but customers still need it on occasion, and they hate having a separate landline carrier just for a fax line. So I'm wondering what others here use successfully to provide their customers with a "fax line" to a physical machine. We would only use a handful of them, and only with our customers who have a fully managed service (IE, 2-3ms connection directly to us over MPLS). We run Asterisk and pass T.38 to a few carriers. We currently do fax to e-mail inbound on Asterisk with no issues. Volume is very light, maybe 3-5 per day per customer, so things like the Vitelity FaxEnable don't make economic sense ($25/mo unlimited our cost). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately by return email and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
Not providing frame relay also leaves the local telco with one foot in the door. At some point you've gotta draw the line. It's 2017. Fax is beyond the line. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
Car Dealerships buy our fax solution as part of our VOIP solutions. It makes good business sense for us to offer the product since we have a demand for it. I agree that fax is old and should be dead. I see over 10,000 faxes go through our system on most weekdays. I know it should be retired but it hurt our business and kept us from closing deals to not have a good option. Maybe this is less of a concern for other types of businesses. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fax ATAs/devices From: Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> Date: Apr 27, 2017, 8:14 PM To: "Ball, Jared" <Jared.Ball at cdk.com> Not providing frame relay also leaves the local telco with one foot in the door. At some point you've gotta draw the line. It's 2017. Fax is beyond the line. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately by return email and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
This is why we can't have nice things. From a customer: Also - Kathy will often fax client docs to us so we can in turn forward them on to her by email. Time sheets for payroll are faxed to us weekly - certainly every week by group recruiter Jackie. Someone is going to a multi-function machine, faxing the docs to her own company, so they can in turn forward the fax e-mail to her. The mind reels. And then another employee is using her MFP (to be super clear, you know, those machines that scan and then send it either by fax or e-mail) to send a document to coworkers in another office. She uses fax, which is converted to e-mail, instead of just e-mailing it. I give up on humanity. On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Ball, Jared <Jared.Ball at cdk.com> wrote:
Car Dealerships buy our fax solution as part of our VOIP solutions. It makes good business sense for us to offer the product since we have a demand for it.
I agree that fax is old and should be dead. I see over 10,000 faxes go through our system on most weekdays. I know it should be retired but it hurt our business and kept us from closing deals to not have a good option. Maybe this is less of a concern for other types of businesses.
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fax ATAs/devices From: Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> Date: Apr 27, 2017, 8:14 PM To: "Ball, Jared" <Jared.Ball at cdk.com> Not providing frame relay also leaves the local telco with one foot in the door.
At some point you've gotta draw the line. It's 2017. Fax is beyond the line.
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Indeed. And every time we devise yet another contrived artifice to keep fax on life support, we are endorsing this stupidity. When my native Soviet Union dissolved, the Western management consultants descended upon our society to tell us that central planning led to profoundly suboptimal misallocations of resources, and that capitalism is dynamic, adaptive, promotional of constant change and progress through competition. The invisible hand always tweaking structure and supply chains, rationalising away inefficiencies and middlemen. Yet, I give you fax and people faxing from MFPs documents that begin and end their journey as PDFs. How is that a triumphal testimony to the preeminence of market economics? Where's the clarion call to rationality? "But we sell it because customers demand it!" they say. Customers demand anything that clogs arteries, mutates DNA, and slowly, agonisingly suffocates kittens. For once, exercise your moral responsibility as anointed beneficiaries of the gospel of wealth, as captains of industry, and assert some backbone. Let your perspicacity and insight "trickle down" -- much has been made of the wisdom of supply-side initiatives in contemporary neoliberalism, no? It's 2017. Fax must die. -- Alex -- Principal, Evariste Systems LLC (www.evaristesys.com) Sent from my Google Nexus.
Fax will not die, at least not anytime soon. Many business processes exist that count on fax. There is a misconception that it is more secure than other document transmission methods. It is universal in deployment. People are reluctant to give out an email address, and IT is reluctant to issue group emails as they are candidates for spam. One client of ours, stated that he can get a virus via a fax, that it acts as a firewall, in and of itself. (Had to agree on that one) Since the caller pays, unless it's a toll free call, companies may have the impression that it will be abused less. On Apr 28, 2017 3:20 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote: Indeed. And every time we devise yet another contrived artifice to keep fax on life support, we are endorsing this stupidity. When my native Soviet Union dissolved, the Western management consultants descended upon our society to tell us that central planning led to profoundly suboptimal misallocations of resources, and that capitalism is dynamic, adaptive, promotional of constant change and progress through competition. The invisible hand always tweaking structure and supply chains, rationalising away inefficiencies and middlemen. Yet, I give you fax and people faxing from MFPs documents that begin and end their journey as PDFs. How is that a triumphal testimony to the preeminence of market economics? Where's the clarion call to rationality? "But we sell it because customers demand it!" they say. Customers demand anything that clogs arteries, mutates DNA, and slowly, agonisingly suffocates kittens. For once, exercise your moral responsibility as anointed beneficiaries of the gospel of wealth, as captains of industry, and assert some backbone. Let your perspicacity and insight "trickle down" -- much has been made of the wisdom of supply-side initiatives in contemporary neoliberalism, no? It's 2017. Fax must die. -- Alex -- Principal, Evariste Systems LLC (www.evaristesys.com<http://www.evaristesys.com>) Sent from my Google Nexus. _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Things I hadn't even thought about in so long... ATAs don't do PoE. Huh. We don't have a single phone cord around here, so to test this ATA, I have to go (gulp) buy a phone cord. Damn. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Alexander Lopez <alex.lopez at opsys.com> wrote:
Fax will not die, at least not anytime soon. Many business processes exist that count on fax.
There is a misconception that it is more secure than other document transmission methods.
It is universal in deployment.
People are reluctant to give out an email address, and IT is reluctant to issue group emails as they are candidates for spam.
One client of ours, stated that he can get a virus via a fax, that it acts as a firewall, in and of itself. (Had to agree on that one)
Since the caller pays, unless it's a toll free call, companies may have the impression that it will be abused less. On Apr 28, 2017 3:20 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote: Indeed. And every time we devise yet another contrived artifice to keep fax on life support, we are endorsing this stupidity.
When my native Soviet Union dissolved, the Western management consultants descended upon our society to tell us that central planning led to profoundly suboptimal misallocations of resources, and that capitalism is dynamic, adaptive, promotional of constant change and progress through competition. The invisible hand always tweaking structure and supply chains, rationalising away inefficiencies and middlemen.
Yet, I give you fax and people faxing from MFPs documents that begin and end their journey as PDFs. How is that a triumphal testimony to the preeminence of market economics? Where's the clarion call to rationality?
"But we sell it because customers demand it!" they say. Customers demand anything that clogs arteries, mutates DNA, and slowly, agonisingly suffocates kittens. For once, exercise your moral responsibility as anointed beneficiaries of the gospel of wealth, as captains of industry, and assert some backbone. Let your perspicacity and insight "trickle down" -- much has been made of the wisdom of supply-side initiatives in contemporary neoliberalism, no?
It's 2017. Fax must die.
-- Alex
-- Principal, Evariste Systems LLC (www.evaristesys.com)
Sent from my Google Nexus. _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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I hope you got the double platinum oxygen free Monster cable from Best Buy? They send faxes TWICE as fast as normal cables. ? Brooks Bridges | Engineering Manager O1 Communications 4359 Town Center Boulevard, Suite 217 El Dorado Hills, California 95762 office: 916.235.2097 | main: 888.444.1111, Option 2 email: bbridges at o1.com<mailto:bbridges at o1.com> | web: www.o1.com<http://www.o1.com/> From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Alvarez Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 1:47 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fax ATAs/devices Things I hadn't even thought about in so long... ATAs don't do PoE. Huh. We don't have a single phone cord around here, so to test this ATA, I have to go (gulp) buy a phone cord. Damn. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Alexander Lopez <alex.lopez at opsys.com<mailto:alex.lopez at opsys.com>> wrote: Fax will not die, at least not anytime soon. Many business processes exist that count on fax. There is a misconception that it is more secure than other document transmission methods. It is universal in deployment. People are reluctant to give out an email address, and IT is reluctant to issue group emails as they are candidates for spam. One client of ours, stated that he can get a virus via a fax, that it acts as a firewall, in and of itself. (Had to agree on that one) Since the caller pays, unless it's a toll free call, companies may have the impression that it will be abused less. On Apr 28, 2017 3:20 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com<mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com>> wrote: Indeed. And every time we devise yet another contrived artifice to keep fax on life support, we are endorsing this stupidity. When my native Soviet Union dissolved, the Western management consultants descended upon our society to tell us that central planning led to profoundly suboptimal misallocations of resources, and that capitalism is dynamic, adaptive, promotional of constant change and progress through competition. The invisible hand always tweaking structure and supply chains, rationalising away inefficiencies and middlemen. Yet, I give you fax and people faxing from MFPs documents that begin and end their journey as PDFs. How is that a triumphal testimony to the preeminence of market economics? Where's the clarion call to rationality? "But we sell it because customers demand it!" they say. Customers demand anything that clogs arteries, mutates DNA, and slowly, agonisingly suffocates kittens. For once, exercise your moral responsibility as anointed beneficiaries of the gospel of wealth, as captains of industry, and assert some backbone. Let your perspicacity and insight "trickle down" -- much has been made of the wisdom of supply-side initiatives in contemporary neoliberalism, no? It's 2017. Fax must die. -- Alex -- Principal, Evariste Systems LLC (www.evaristesys.com<http://www.evaristesys.com>) Sent from my Google Nexus. _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 08:54:31PM +0000, Brooks Bridges wrote:
I hope you got the double platinum oxygen free Monster cable from Best Buy? They send faxes TWICE as fast as normal cables. ?
But only if you burn them in for 24-36 hours first by continuously faxing sheets of black construction paper. Otherwise the Super G3 Acceleration coating doesn't undergo the proper neutron bombardment. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
Geek Squad alumni? --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fax ATAs/devices From: "Alex Balashov" <abalashov at evaristesys.com> Date: 4/28/17 4:11 pm To: "Brooks Bridges" <bbridges at o1.com> Cc: "voiceops at voiceops.org" <voiceops at voiceops.org> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 08:54:31PM +0000, Brooks Bridges wrote:
I hope you got the double platinum oxygen free Monster cable from Best Buy? They send faxes TWICE as fast as normal cables. ?
But only if you burn them in for 24-36 hours first by continuously faxing sheets of black construction paper. Otherwise the Super G3 Acceleration coating doesn't undergo the proper neutron bombardment. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
You guys think you're being funny, but look at this... https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--xK4i4WKz--/c_scale,f_au... On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 08:54:31PM +0000, Brooks Bridges wrote:
I hope you got the double platinum oxygen free Monster cable from Best Buy? They send faxes TWICE as fast as normal cables. ?
But only if you burn them in for 24-36 hours first by continuously faxing sheets of black construction paper. Otherwise the Super G3 Acceleration coating doesn't undergo the proper neutron bombardment.
-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
VIRUS NOISES! Oh noes! Good thing I have my handy Kaspersky Earplugs right here! Brooks Bridges | Engineering Manager O1 Communications 4359 Town Center Boulevard, Suite 217 El Dorado Hills, California 95762 office: 916.235.2097 | main: 888.444.1111, Option 2 email: bbridges at o1.com<mailto:bbridges at o1.com> | web: www.o1.com<http://www.o1.com/> From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Alvarez Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 2:23 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fax ATAs/devices You guys think you're being funny, but look at this... https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--xK4i4WKz--/c_scale,f_au... On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com<mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com>> wrote: On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 08:54:31PM +0000, Brooks Bridges wrote:
I hope you got the double platinum oxygen free Monster cable from Best Buy? They send faxes TWICE as fast as normal cables. ?
But only if you burn them in for 24-36 hours first by continuously faxing sheets of black construction paper. Otherwise the Super G3 Acceleration coating doesn't undergo the proper neutron bombardment. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800<tel:%2B1-706-510-6800> / +1-800-250-5920<tel:%2B1-800-250-5920> (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Black construction paper, wow that brings back memories of when we used to get junk faxes and asked to be removed, we would give them a week or so to comply. If they were abusive and/or flat out ignored our request, we would tape three sheets of black construction paper and put it a loop, dial the number and head out to happy hour. An added bonus came when we started getting share of the 800 number revenue. On Apr 28, 2017 5:12 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote: On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 08:54:31PM +0000, Brooks Bridges wrote:
I hope you got the double platinum oxygen free Monster cable from Best Buy? They send faxes TWICE as fast as normal cables. ?
But only if you burn them in for 24-36 hours first by continuously faxing sheets of black construction paper. Otherwise the Super G3 Acceleration coating doesn't undergo the proper neutron bombardment. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Yeah, losing POE is a PITA. There are POE splitters that break out DC power from the Ethernet drop. These are commonplace in IP surveillance. Some come with multiple coax adapter tips and adjustable DC voltage. I've used these to power a Raspberry Pi from my switch. Michael Graves mgraves at mstvp.com http://www.mgraves.org o(713) 861-4005 c(713) 201-1262 sip:mgraves at mjg.onsip.com skype mjgraves --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fax ATAs/devices From: "Carlos Alvarez" <caalvarez at gmail.com> Date: 4/28/17 3:47 pm To: "voiceops at voiceops.org" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Things I hadn't even thought about in so long... ATAs don't do PoE. Huh. We don't have a single phone cord around here, so to test this ATA, I have to go (gulp) buy a phone cord. Damn. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Alexander Lopez <alex.lopez at opsys.com> wrote: Fax will not die, at least not anytime soon. Many business processes exist that count on fax. There is a misconception that it is more secure than other document transmission methods. It is universal in deployment. People are reluctant to give out an email address, and IT is reluctant to issue group emails as they are candidates for spam. One client of ours, stated that he can get a virus via a fax, that it acts as a firewall, in and of itself. (Had to agree on that one) Since the caller pays, unless it's a toll free call, companies may have the impression that it will be abused less. On Apr 28, 2017 3:20 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote: Indeed. And every time we devise yet another contrived artifice to keep fax on life support, we are endorsing this stupidity. When my native Soviet Union dissolved, the Western management consultants descended upon our society to tell us that central planning led to profoundly suboptimal misallocations of resources, and that capitalism is dynamic, adaptive, promotional of constant change and progress through competition. The invisible hand always tweaking structure and supply chains, rationalising away inefficiencies and middlemen. Yet, I give you fax and people faxing from MFPs documents that begin and end their journey as PDFs. How is that a triumphal testimony to the preeminence of market economics? Where's the clarion call to rationality? "But we sell it because customers demand it!" they say. Customers demand anything that clogs arteries, mutates DNA, and slowly, agonisingly suffocates kittens. For once, exercise your moral responsibility as anointed beneficiaries of the gospel of wealth, as captains of industry, and assert some backbone. Let your perspicacity and insight "trickle down" -- much has been made of the wisdom of supply-side initiatives in contemporary neoliberalism, no? It's 2017. Fax must die. -- Alex -- Principal, Evariste Systems LLC (www.evaristesys.com) Sent from my Google Nexus. _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 08:39:06PM +0000, Alexander Lopez wrote:
Fax will not die, at least not anytime soon.
Not as long as the VoIP industry continues to improvise boondoggles?none altogether successful?to jam an uncompromisingly square peg into an unyieldingly round hole. The problem with boondoggles was articulated in a rather entertaining way by the writer Dmitry Orlov: So why not, as a matter of policy, only propose solutions that are guaranteed to simply create more problems, for which further solutions can then be proposed? At some point, a boondoggle event horizon is reached, like the light event horizon that exists at the surface of a black hole. Beyond that horizon, the only possible course of action is to create more boondoggles. The combined weight of all these boondoggles is slowly but surely pushing us all down. If it pushes us down far enough, then economic collapse, when it arrives, will be like falling out of a ground-floor window. We just have to help this process along, or at least not interfere with it. So if somebody comes to you and says, ?I want to make a boondoggle that runs on hydrogen? ? by all means encourage him! It?s not as good as a boondoggle that burns money directly, but it?s a step in the right direction. [1] This is what we're doing with fax every time we come up with more shit: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21997718/funny-USB-adapter-computer-data... At some point, you need to decide if you're in the POTS industry or the VoIP industry. -- Alex [1] http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/01/boondoggles-to-rescue.html Mr. Orlov is a peak oil theorist and is writing in that rather gloomy context. I don't necessarily agree with his all-around pessimism, but his writing is thought-provoking and his social critiques incisive. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
In article <CY1PR0401MB1551992F597EEA0D003D149E81130 at CY1PR0401MB1551.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> you write:
Fax will not die, at least not anytime soon. Many business processes exist that count on fax.
There is a misconception that it is more secure than other document transmission methods.
That's exactly it. I needed to send a scan of a form to a nearby university medical clinic, and they insisted that I fax it. I asked can I email a PDF, oh, no, we're under constant attack, e-mail is too dangerous. The fact that faxing it involved sending it to some random third party pdf->fax service that put their blurb on the cover sheet did not deter them. R's, John
What are you talking about? Fax is the communication medium of the future, right along with home telepresence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nd1OVYPt80 Get with the times. On 4/28/2017 12:19 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:
Indeed. And every time we devise yet another contrived artifice to keep fax on life support, we are endorsing this stupidity.
When my native Soviet Union dissolved, the Western management consultants descended upon our society to tell us that central planning led to profoundly suboptimal misallocations of resources, and that capitalism is dynamic, adaptive, promotional of constant change and progress through competition. The invisible hand always tweaking structure and supply chains, rationalising away inefficiencies and middlemen.
Yet, I give you fax and people faxing from MFPs documents that begin and end their journey as PDFs. How is that a triumphal testimony to the preeminence of market economics? Where's the clarion call to rationality?
"But we sell it because customers demand it!" they say. Customers demand anything that clogs arteries, mutates DNA, and slowly, agonisingly suffocates kittens. For once, exercise your moral responsibility as anointed beneficiaries of the gospel of wealth, as captains of industry, and assert some backbone. Let your perspicacity and insight "trickle down" -- much has been made of the wisdom of supply-side initiatives in contemporary neoliberalism, no?
It's 2017. Fax must die.
-- Alex
-- Principal, Evariste Systems LLC (www.evaristesys.com)
Sent from my Google Nexus. _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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