I've been invited to attend an ATIS conference call on 12/8 regarding us next-gen networks and rural area call issues (completion, quality, etc). Part of the invite is encouraging others to participate, so please consider yourself encouraged! I'm not sure how this works, but maybe I can get invitations for others, too. If you want me to carry your experiences to the group, let me know what your problems have been and I'll incorporate them (with attribution, if desired) with my comments. I expect to see a pre-meeting questionnaire soon. Thanks, David Hiers CCIE (R/S, V), CISSP ADP Dealer Services 2525 SW 1st Ave. Suite 300W Portland, OR 97201 o: 503-205-4467 f: 503-402-3277 ###Please note my email address is changing: ###from David_Hiers at adp.com ### to David.Hiers at adp.com This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
On 11/21/11 10:43 AM, Hiers, David wrote:
I?ve been invited to attend an ATIS conference call on 12/8 regarding us next-gen networks and rural area call issues (completion, quality, etc).
In my experience the majority or rural area call issues are due to traffic pumping done by the rural carriers themselves in conjunction with chat lines, conference services, etc. If there's a town with a population of 300 people, then it doesn't make sense for carriers to have an aggregate capacity of more than 300 trunks there. Hence completion issues when the carrier deliberately abuses the network for profit. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV
That's not entirely true at all.. Some RLECs may do this, but not all. I came from running a rural access tandem for a lot of RLECs, we had plenty of capacity to every carrier and these calls would just randomly not complete. It wasn't a matter of not having trunking available, the calls just never appeared. No IAM, nothing incoming at all. -- Tim On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Jay Hennigan <jay at west.net> wrote:
On 11/21/11 10:43 AM, Hiers, David wrote:
I?ve been invited to attend an ATIS conference call on 12/8 regarding us next-gen networks and rural area call issues (completion, quality, etc).
In my experience the majority or rural area call issues are due to traffic pumping done by the rural carriers themselves in conjunction with chat lines, conference services, etc.
If there's a town with a population of 300 people, then it doesn't make sense for carriers to have an aggregate capacity of more than 300 trunks there. Hence completion issues when the carrier deliberately abuses the network for profit.
-- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
On 11/21/11 1:05 PM, Tim Jackson wrote:
That's not entirely true at all.. Some RLECs may do this, but not all.
I came from running a rural access tandem for a lot of RLECs, we had plenty of capacity to every carrier and these calls would just randomly not complete. It wasn't a matter of not having trunking available, the calls just never appeared. No IAM, nothing incoming at all.
Were the NPA-NXXes affected used by traffic-pumpers or were they legitimate rural POTS lines? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV
And so the IXCs don't need to complete the calls with some decent level of quality? Frank -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:11 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] ATIS: Next Gen networks and rural area call issues On 11/21/11 1:05 PM, Tim Jackson wrote:
That's not entirely true at all.. Some RLECs may do this, but not all.
I came from running a rural access tandem for a lot of RLECs, we had plenty of capacity to every carrier and these calls would just randomly not complete. It wasn't a matter of not having trunking available, the calls just never appeared. No IAM, nothing incoming at all.
Were the NPA-NXXes affected used by traffic-pumpers or were they legitimate rural POTS lines? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
I think that the new regs just fixed that... http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-connect-america-fund-order-reforms-... David Hiers CCIE (R/S, V), CISSP ADP Dealer Services 2525 SW 1st Ave. Suite 300W Portland, OR 97201 o: 503-205-4467 f: 503-402-3277 ###Please note my email address is changing: ###from David_Hiers at adp.com ### to David.Hiers at adp.com -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:55 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] ATIS: Next Gen networks and rural area call issues On 11/21/11 10:43 AM, Hiers, David wrote:
I've been invited to attend an ATIS conference call on 12/8 regarding us next-gen networks and rural area call issues (completion, quality, etc).
In my experience the majority or rural area call issues are due to traffic pumping done by the rural carriers themselves in conjunction with chat lines, conference services, etc. If there's a town with a population of 300 people, then it doesn't make sense for carriers to have an aggregate capacity of more than 300 trunks there. Hence completion issues when the carrier deliberately abuses the network for profit. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
I assume you've seen this, but if not, there was an FCC workshop on rural-carrier call completion issues in October which was video-recorded here: http://www.fcc.gov/events/rural-call-completion-workshop -hadriel On Nov 21, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Hiers, David wrote:
I?ve been invited to attend an ATIS conference call on 12/8 regarding us next-gen networks and rural area call issues (completion, quality, etc).
Part of the invite is encouraging others to participate, so please consider yourself encouraged! I?m not sure how this works, but maybe I can get invitations for others, too. If you want me to carry your experiences to the group, let me know what your problems have been and I?ll incorporate them (with attribution, if desired) with my comments.
I expect to see a pre-meeting questionnaire soon.
Thanks,
David Hiers
CCIE (R/S, V), CISSP ADP Dealer Services 2525 SW 1st Ave. Suite 300W Portland, OR 97201 o: 503-205-4467 f: 503-402-3277
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Thanks for sharing - we got the letter, too. How the letter is written suggests that the telcos don't know how to track it down - the reality is that the terminating LECs have little insight into the original source and path of the call. What needs to be done is if that if my customer can't receive a call from 555-555-1212, I need to be able to contact the LEC who originates the call and have them perform testing from their customer's perspective. Frank From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Hiers, David Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:43 PM To: VoiceOps Subject: [VoiceOps] ATIS: Next Gen networks and rural area call issues I've been invited to attend an ATIS conference call on 12/8 regarding us next-gen networks and rural area call issues (completion, quality, etc). Part of the invite is encouraging others to participate, so please consider yourself encouraged! I'm not sure how this works, but maybe I can get invitations for others, too. If you want me to carry your experiences to the group, let me know what your problems have been and I'll incorporate them (with attribution, if desired) with my comments. I expect to see a pre-meeting questionnaire soon. Thanks, David Hiers CCIE (R/S, V), CISSP ADP Dealer Services 2525 SW 1st Ave. Suite 300W Portland, OR 97201 o: 503-205-4467 f: 503-402-3277 ###Please note my email address is changing: ###from David_Hiers at adp.com ### to David.Hiers at adp.com _____ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
Ok, everyone is invited! I don't want to drop the conference info on the public list, so if you want to attend, contact me (or Kellie) off-list and we'll send you the info privately. Here's the response from the call's organizer: # # # If anyone from Voiceops would like to join the call, feel free to pass on the call information. In order to inform them about any future NGIIF conference calls concerning call termination/call completion, could you ask that they contact me with following information: Name: Company Name: Company Address: E-mail address: Phone Number: This information also helps us keep track of how many people are registered for the December 8th conference call. Thanks again! Kellie Bartholomew ATIS Committee Administrator 1200 G Street NW, Suite 500 Washington, D.C. 20005 kbartholomew at atis.org<mailto:kbartholomew at atis.org> (202) 662-8654 # # # David Hiers CCIE (R/S, V), CISSP ADP Dealer Services 2525 SW 1st Ave. Suite 300W Portland, OR 97201 o: 503-205-4467 f: 503-402-3277 ###Please note my email address is changing: ###from David_Hiers at adp.com ### to David.Hiers at adp.com From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Hiers, David (DS) Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:43 AM To: VoiceOps Subject: [VoiceOps] ATIS: Next Gen networks and rural area call issues I've been invited to attend an ATIS conference call on 12/8 regarding us next-gen networks and rural area call issues (completion, quality, etc). Part of the invite is encouraging others to participate, so please consider yourself encouraged! I'm not sure how this works, but maybe I can get invitations for others, too. If you want me to carry your experiences to the group, let me know what your problems have been and I'll incorporate them (with attribution, if desired) with my comments. I expect to see a pre-meeting questionnaire soon. Thanks, David Hiers CCIE (R/S, V), CISSP ADP Dealer Services 2525 SW 1st Ave. Suite 300W Portland, OR 97201 o: 503-205-4467 f: 503-402-3277 ###Please note my email address is changing: ###from David_Hiers at adp.com ### to David.Hiers at adp.com ________________________________ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
Be sure that you tell Kellie if you attend. They have to pre-provision the bridge, and a huge flash crowd will crush 'em. David Hiers CCIE (R/S, V), CISSP ADP Dealer Services 2525 SW 1st Ave. Suite 300W Portland, OR 97201 o: 503-205-4467 f: 503-402-3277 ###Please note my email address is changing: ###from David_Hiers at adp.com ### to David.Hiers at adp.com From: Hiers, David (DS) Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:03 AM To: VoiceOps Subject: RE: ATIS: Next Gen networks and rural area call issues Ok, everyone is invited! I don't want to drop the conference info on the public list, so if you want to attend, contact me (or Kellie) off-list and we'll send you the info privately. Here's the response from the call's organizer: # # # If anyone from Voiceops would like to join the call, feel free to pass on the call information. In order to inform them about any future NGIIF conference calls concerning call termination/call completion, could you ask that they contact me with following information: Name: Company Name: Company Address: E-mail address: Phone Number: This information also helps us keep track of how many people are registered for the December 8th conference call. Thanks again! Kellie Bartholomew ATIS Committee Administrator 1200 G Street NW, Suite 500 Washington, D.C. 20005 kbartholomew at atis.org<mailto:kbartholomew at atis.org> (202) 662-8654 # # # David Hiers CCIE (R/S, V), CISSP ADP Dealer Services 2525 SW 1st Ave. Suite 300W Portland, OR 97201 o: 503-205-4467 f: 503-402-3277 ###Please note my email address is changing: ###from David_Hiers at adp.com ### to David.Hiers at adp.com From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Hiers, David (DS) Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:43 AM To: VoiceOps Subject: [VoiceOps] ATIS: Next Gen networks and rural area call issues I've been invited to attend an ATIS conference call on 12/8 regarding us next-gen networks and rural area call issues (completion, quality, etc). Part of the invite is encouraging others to participate, so please consider yourself encouraged! I'm not sure how this works, but maybe I can get invitations for others, too. If you want me to carry your experiences to the group, let me know what your problems have been and I'll incorporate them (with attribution, if desired) with my comments. I expect to see a pre-meeting questionnaire soon. Thanks, David Hiers CCIE (R/S, V), CISSP ADP Dealer Services 2525 SW 1st Ave. Suite 300W Portland, OR 97201 o: 503-205-4467 f: 503-402-3277 ###Please note my email address is changing: ###from David_Hiers at adp.com ### to David.Hiers at adp.com ________________________________ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
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