On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Kenny Sallee <kenny.sallee at gmail.com> wrote: [cut]
This is a little off topic but...Are any ISP's using IPv6 for connectivity with their customers?? ?What application are you all looking to use it for (internal or external use)? ?I know it's needed and understand IP addressing and issues with v4 and v6. ?Just?trying to gauge if this is a lab project you are talking about or if ipv6 is starting to be used in the 'real-world'
yes, ipv6 is real and available, even from u.s. isps (who are about a decade behind most european providers). comcast is also rolling it out to cable subscribers in certain markets. google is available over v6, yahoo should have some of their stuff on v6 too. sadly voice softswitch vendors are lagging way behind in ipv6 (some are barely up to 1990s technologies/standards in ipv4, so i'm not terribly surprised). a lot of "enterprise" cisco kit is barely v6 capable as well... so in terms of viability of using v6 for voip interconnection, it will be a few years /joshua -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams -
joshua sahala wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Kenny Sallee <kenny.sallee at gmail.com> wrote: [cut]
This is a little off topic but...Are any ISP's using IPv6 for connectivity with their customers?? What application are you all looking to use it for (internal or external use)? I know it's needed and understand IP addressing and issues with v4 and v6. Just trying to gauge if this is a lab project you are talking about or if ipv6 is starting to be used in the 'real-world'
yes, ipv6 is real and available, even from u.s. isps (who are about a decade behind most european providers). comcast is also rolling it out to cable subscribers in certain markets. google is available over v6, yahoo should have some of their stuff on v6 too.
We're providing it to retail customers today upon request. We have support over DSL and dialup as well, within our on-net footprint. In the future (once the adtrans support it! most of our customers are IAD customers) we'll be issuing it by default. It's similarly available on our internet T1s and colocation. We are multihomed on IPv6 from multiple upstream providers. IPv6 is here. -Paul
Which markets are those? I have not seen any proof of this. Frank -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of joshua sahala Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:13 PM To: Kenny Sallee Cc: VoiceOps Subject: [VoiceOps] ipv6 is for real (was Re: CPE IAD recommendations) <snip> comcast is also rolling it out to cable subscribers in certain markets. <snip> /joshua -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams - _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
As I understand it (from a NANOG presentation I had seen a while back - http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog46/presentations/Monday/Nina_johnb_broad_ cable_N46.pdf) Comcast's initial plans for IPv6 was for a unified device management platform for everything from their MTAs to set top boxes to the core. I haven't seen anything about offering it as a service to customers, but it's possible. Comcast however is not normally known for innovation when it comes to customer offerings (unless you include meddling with P2P traffic). -Scott -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:20 PM To: 'joshua sahala' Cc: VoiceOps Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] ipv6 is for real (was Re: CPE IAD recommendations) Which markets are those? I have not seen any proof of this. Frank -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of joshua sahala Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:13 PM To: Kenny Sallee Cc: VoiceOps Subject: [VoiceOps] ipv6 is for real (was Re: CPE IAD recommendations) <snip> comcast is also rolling it out to cable subscribers in certain markets. <snip> /joshua -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams - _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Scott Berkman <scott at sberkman.net> wrote:
I haven't seen anything about offering it as a service to customers, but it's possible. Comcast however is not normally known for innovation when it comes to customer offerings (unless you include meddling with P2P traffic).
I'm not sure what counts as innovation in your book, but I've found Comcast to be a bit more clueful than many operators: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-durand-softwire-dual-stack-lite-01 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5632 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-livingood-woundy-congestion-mgmt-00 Comcast says that their core is entirely IPv6 enabled, and they have announced IPv6 /wholesale/ offerings. AFAIK, this is the most recent announcement from them regarding IPv6. http://www.comcast.com/About/PressRelease/PressReleaseDetail.ashx?PRID=878 -Nick
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Frank Bulk <frnkblk at iname.com> wrote:
Which markets are those? ?I have not seen any proof of this.
docsis3.0 upgrades are being conducted, and from what i've heard from some friends is that there is an ipv6 address assigned along with the ipv4 address. not sure if this is universal to their docsis3.0 upgrades, or still in limited testing. /joshua -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams -
As you said, IPv6 for CM management, but I don't believe it's assigned to the customer's own CPE. The latest wave of firmware from a (large) eMTA vendor we use has lots of IPv6 support added in for the mgmt of the CM and the eMTA inside the CM. Frank -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of joshua sahala Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:39 AM To: VoiceOps Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] ipv6 is for real (was Re: CPE IAD recommendations) On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Frank Bulk <frnkblk at iname.com> wrote:
Which markets are those? ?I have not seen any proof of this.
docsis3.0 upgrades are being conducted, and from what i've heard from some friends is that there is an ipv6 address assigned along with the ipv4 address. not sure if this is universal to their docsis3.0 upgrades, or still in limited testing. /joshua -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams - _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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