Is there some way to port numbers extremely fast away from major landline providers like Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, etc? I met someone long ago that said they were able to port a number from anywhere in like one business day. If I remember right they mentioned something about being a cellular CLEC or something similar. I know porting in the cellular world is a same day kind of thing, but why not on the landline side? Is there some wholesaler out there that doesn't charge and arm and leg to port numbers?
Porting requires concurrence from the losing carrier to complete, which ultimately happens as an LRN update in the NPAC. Companies with direct access to NPAC can do this the quickest, otherwise they contract with an AOCN to handle the NPAC or use a bigger carrier, which can add delays. So long as you have the correct LSR information when submitting the port, concurrence should happen within a day. Ultimately the losing and gaining carriers both contribute to the turnaround time. Check out our wholesale services. We can do porting for voice, toll free and SMS. On Jun 15, 2015 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
Is there some way to port numbers extremely fast away from major landline providers like Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, etc? I met someone long ago that said they were able to port a number from anywhere in like one business day. If I remember right they mentioned something about being a cellular CLEC or something similar. I know porting in the cellular world is a same day kind of thing, but why not on the landline side?
Is there some wholesaler out there that doesn't charge and arm and leg to port numbers?
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How do you find out who has direct access, and who goes through an AOCN? Is there some official list out there? On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Calvin Ellison <calvin.ellison at voxox.com> wrote:
Porting requires concurrence from the losing carrier to complete, which ultimately happens as an LRN update in the NPAC. Companies with direct access to NPAC can do this the quickest, otherwise they contract with an AOCN to handle the NPAC or use a bigger carrier, which can add delays.
So long as you have the correct LSR information when submitting the port, concurrence should happen within a day. Ultimately the losing and gaining carriers both contribute to the turnaround time.
Check out our wholesale services. We can do porting for voice, toll free and SMS. On Jun 15, 2015 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
Is there some way to port numbers extremely fast away from major landline providers like Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, etc? I met someone long ago that said they were able to port a number from anywhere in like one business day. If I remember right they mentioned something about being a cellular CLEC or something similar. I know porting in the cellular world is a same day kind of thing, but why not on the landline side?
Is there some wholesaler out there that doesn't charge and arm and leg to port numbers?
_______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
I misspoke regarding the AOCN; that's a function of BIRRDS/LERG for the routing of LRN/codes/thousand blocks to tandems/switches, but is not used for individual numbers. Serves me right for handling email before coffee :) You need someone with SOA access to NPAC, which should be any CLEC or LEC. You'll first need to make sure the business you're dealing with actually operates in the LATA of the number to be ported, otherwise they will be doing LNP through some larger upstream carrier; e.g. Brand X CLEC with connectivity in some LATA might use Level 3 or Bandwidth.com to service markets outside of their own tandem interconnects. In this case you're at the mercy of the smaller guy's turnaround plus the upstream carrier's LNP process. Expect there to be some charge for LNP, since carriers do have to pay for their own use of NPAC at some point, plus the human labor involved in processing LSR, concurrence, provisioning, etc. You might get a cost break if porting many numbers at once, maybe 50 or more. Even when carriers have arranged for concurrence in real time (e.g. porting between major wireless carrier), callers are still at the mercy of their own carrier and intermediate carriers updating the LRN information, which might not happen until that night or next business day. https://www.npac.com/resources/public-knowledgebase/faqs2/lnp-faqs https://www.npac.com/lnpa-working-group/nanc-lnp-process-flows Regards, *Calvin Ellison* Voice Services Engineer calvin.ellison at voxox.com +1 (213) 285-0555 ----------------------------------------------- *voxox.com <http://www.voxox.com/> * 9276 Scranton Rd, Suite 200 San Diego, CA 92121 [image: Voxox] On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
How do you find out who has direct access, and who goes through an AOCN? Is there some official list out there?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Calvin Ellison <calvin.ellison at voxox.com
wrote:
Porting requires concurrence from the losing carrier to complete, which ultimately happens as an LRN update in the NPAC. Companies with direct access to NPAC can do this the quickest, otherwise they contract with an AOCN to handle the NPAC or use a bigger carrier, which can add delays.
So long as you have the correct LSR information when submitting the port, concurrence should happen within a day. Ultimately the losing and gaining carriers both contribute to the turnaround time.
Check out our wholesale services. We can do porting for voice, toll free and SMS. On Jun 15, 2015 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
Is there some way to port numbers extremely fast away from major landline providers like Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, etc? I met someone long ago that said they were able to port a number from anywhere in like one business day. If I remember right they mentioned something about being a cellular CLEC or something similar. I know porting in the cellular world is a same day kind of thing, but why not on the landline side?
Is there some wholesaler out there that doesn't charge and arm and leg to port numbers?
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I just wanted to point out one thing because for someone knew it's incredibly confusing since there are so many moving parts to all this. The AOCN can only do BIRRDS database entries (aka the LERG). Porting is done through the NPAC system, and there are actually several options you can choose from to port a number. If you have your own NXXs assigned to you, you can choose from any of the porting methods below: (Which one you select will depend on how much you plan to port each month). NPAC helpdesk - has no monthly fee but costs $15 per port out and $30 per port in NPAC LTI - you have direct access to the NPAC database for a flat rate and do all the ports yourself (if you port in more than 13 numbers per month it's worthwhile) Service Bureau - they provide a web interface and you do the ports yourself. They charge a flat rate monthly fee for a minimum number of ports and if you go over the maximum number of ports you pay an additional charge per port.) 3rd Party SOA provider - they apply for the NPAC LTI service on your behalf and issue all the port orders for you Hope that makes the picture a little clearer! Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting 615-791-9969
On June 15, 2015 at 11:33 AM Calvin Ellison <calvin.ellison at voxox.com> wrote:
Porting requires concurrence from the losing carrier to complete, which ultimately happens as an LRN update in the NPAC. Companies with direct access to NPAC can do this the quickest, otherwise they contract with an AOCN to handle the NPAC or use a bigger carrier, which can add delays.
So long as you have the correct LSR information when submitting the port, concurrence should happen within a day. Ultimately the losing and gaining carriers both contribute to the turnaround time.
Check out our wholesale services. We can do porting for voice, toll free and SMS.
On Jun 15, 2015 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor at gmail.com <mailto:colton.conor at gmail.com> > wrote:
Is there some way to port numbers extremely fast away from major landline providers like Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, etc? I met someone long ago that said they were able to port a number from anywhere in like one business day. If I remember right they mentioned something about being a cellular CLEC or something similar. I know porting in the cellular world is a same day kind of thing, but why not on the landline side?
Is there some wholesaler out there that doesn't charge and arm and leg to port numbers?
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Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting Marylou at backuptelecom.com Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
Also want to note the simple versus complex port aspect, too. https://www.npac.com/number-portability/how-lnp-works ?Even providers who use manual processes, if there are no errors or issues with validations, and it is a simple port, the FCC has mandated that the request be completed within one business day.? Frank From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Calvin Ellison Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 11:34 AM To: Colton Conor Cc: Voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fast LNP Porting Porting requires concurrence from the losing carrier to complete, which ultimately happens as an LRN update in the NPAC. Companies with direct access to NPAC can do this the quickest, otherwise they contract with an AOCN to handle the NPAC or use a bigger carrier, which can add delays. So long as you have the correct LSR information when submitting the port, concurrence should happen within a day. Ultimately the losing and gaining carriers both contribute to the turnaround time. Check out our wholesale services. We can do porting for voice, toll free and SMS. On Jun 15, 2015 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor at gmail.com <mailto:colton.conor at gmail.com> > wrote: Is there some way to port numbers extremely fast away from major landline providers like Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, etc? I met someone long ago that said they were able to port a number from anywhere in like one business day. If I remember right they mentioned something about being a cellular CLEC or something similar. I know porting in the cellular world is a same day kind of thing, but why not on the landline side? Is there some wholesaler out there that doesn't charge and arm and leg to port numbers? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org <mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
We are directly connected to the NPAC and do all of our own native porting in house as well as porting for others. It?s important to note that virtually all non-wireless carriers these days have various excuses for why no port is ever simple anymore, to get around the one-day porting rule. It used to be, a single number porting made it a simple port. Not true anymore; you can pretty much count on any non-wireless port being considered complex from an LNP perspective. We can generally still get it done in 3 to 5 business days, but you have to be very organized and know what the specific requirements of each carrier are before you submit the order to them. Mike Mike Ray, MBA, CNE, CTE Astro Companies, LLC 11523 Palm Brush Trail #401 Lakewood Ranch, FL 34202 DIRECT: 941 600-0207 http://www.astrocompanies.com From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 12:57 AM To: 'Calvin Ellison'; Colton Conor Cc: Voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fast LNP Porting Also want to note the simple versus complex port aspect, too. https://www.npac.com/number-portability/how-lnp-works ?Even providers who use manual processes, if there are no errors or issues with validations, and it is a simple port, the FCC has mandated that the request be completed within one business day.? Frank From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Calvin Ellison Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 11:34 AM To: Colton Conor Cc: Voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fast LNP Porting Porting requires concurrence from the losing carrier to complete, which ultimately happens as an LRN update in the NPAC. Companies with direct access to NPAC can do this the quickest, otherwise they contract with an AOCN to handle the NPAC or use a bigger carrier, which can add delays. So long as you have the correct LSR information when submitting the port, concurrence should happen within a day. Ultimately the losing and gaining carriers both contribute to the turnaround time. Check out our wholesale services. We can do porting for voice, toll free and SMS. On Jun 15, 2015 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor at gmail.com <mailto:colton.conor at gmail.com> > wrote: Is there some way to port numbers extremely fast away from major landline providers like Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, etc? I met someone long ago that said they were able to port a number from anywhere in like one business day. If I remember right they mentioned something about being a cellular CLEC or something similar. I know porting in the cellular world is a same day kind of thing, but why not on the landline side? Is there some wholesaler out there that doesn't charge and arm and leg to port numbers? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org <mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
The FCC?s current definition for a Simple Ports is as follows: * Do not involve unbundled network elements * Involves an account only for a single line * Do not include complex switch translations (e.g., Centrex, ISDN, AIN services, remote call forwarding, or multiple services on the loop) * Do not include a reseller Regards, Frank From: Mike Ray, MBA, CNE, CTE [mailto:mike at astrocompanies.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 12:26 AM To: 'Frank Bulk'; 'Colton Conor' Cc: 'Voiceops.org' Subject: RE: [VoiceOps] Fast LNP Porting We are directly connected to the NPAC and do all of our own native porting in house as well as porting for others. It?s important to note that virtually all non-wireless carriers these days have various excuses for why no port is ever simple anymore, to get around the one-day porting rule. It used to be, a single number porting made it a simple port. Not true anymore; you can pretty much count on any non-wireless port being considered complex from an LNP perspective. We can generally still get it done in 3 to 5 business days, but you have to be very organized and know what the specific requirements of each carrier are before you submit the order to them. Mike Mike Ray, MBA, CNE, CTE Astro Companies, LLC 11523 Palm Brush Trail #401 Lakewood Ranch, FL 34202 DIRECT: 941 600-0207 http://www.astrocompanies.com From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 12:57 AM To: 'Calvin Ellison'; Colton Conor Cc: Voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fast LNP Porting Also want to note the simple versus complex port aspect, too. https://www.npac.com/number-portability/how-lnp-works ?Even providers who use manual processes, if there are no errors or issues with validations, and it is a simple port, the FCC has mandated that the request be completed within one business day.? Frank From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Calvin Ellison Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 11:34 AM To: Colton Conor Cc: Voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fast LNP Porting Porting requires concurrence from the losing carrier to complete, which ultimately happens as an LRN update in the NPAC. Companies with direct access to NPAC can do this the quickest, otherwise they contract with an AOCN to handle the NPAC or use a bigger carrier, which can add delays. So long as you have the correct LSR information when submitting the port, concurrence should happen within a day. Ultimately the losing and gaining carriers both contribute to the turnaround time. Check out our wholesale services. We can do porting for voice, toll free and SMS. On Jun 15, 2015 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor at gmail.com <mailto:colton.conor at gmail.com> > wrote: Is there some way to port numbers extremely fast away from major landline providers like Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, etc? I met someone long ago that said they were able to port a number from anywhere in like one business day. If I remember right they mentioned something about being a cellular CLEC or something similar. I know porting in the cellular world is a same day kind of thing, but why not on the landline side? Is there some wholesaler out there that doesn't charge and arm and leg to port numbers? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org <mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
I have personally experienced wireless-to-wireless ports that happen in MINUTES, though; maybe an hour at most. As I recall, there was one that was a port to a prepaid phone service, and not only did it happen fast, but I did it really late at night, and it was all conducted by an automated system (sign-up via web site)?no human interaction required. How is THAT possible, and can that same experience be brought to non-wireless ports? (I suspect part of the answer is that account PIN code thing that seems to be standard with wireless accounts and that can be used in an automated fashion to verify ownership of the number and the account it is currently attached to.) -- Nathan From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:57 PM To: 'Calvin Ellison'; Colton Conor Cc: Voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fast LNP Porting Also want to note the simple versus complex port aspect, too. https://www.npac.com/number-portability/how-lnp-works ?Even providers who use manual processes, if there are no errors or issues with validations, and it is a simple port, the FCC has mandated that the request be completed within one business day.? Frank From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Calvin Ellison Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 11:34 AM To: Colton Conor Cc: Voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fast LNP Porting Porting requires concurrence from the losing carrier to complete, which ultimately happens as an LRN update in the NPAC. Companies with direct access to NPAC can do this the quickest, otherwise they contract with an AOCN to handle the NPAC or use a bigger carrier, which can add delays. So long as you have the correct LSR information when submitting the port, concurrence should happen within a day. Ultimately the losing and gaining carriers both contribute to the turnaround time. Check out our wholesale services. We can do porting for voice, toll free and SMS. On Jun 15, 2015 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor at gmail.com<mailto:colton.conor at gmail.com>> wrote: Is there some way to port numbers extremely fast away from major landline providers like Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, etc? I met someone long ago that said they were able to port a number from anywhere in like one business day. If I remember right they mentioned something about being a cellular CLEC or something similar. I know porting in the cellular world is a same day kind of thing, but why not on the landline side? Is there some wholesaler out there that doesn't charge and arm and leg to port numbers? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Depends how quickly the losing carrier gives concurrence. They may have automated systems that do that in a certain time frame, though there are maximums, as we have discussed. Frank From: Nathan Anderson [mailto:nathana at fsr.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 12:32 AM To: 'Frank Bulk'; 'Calvin Ellison'; Colton Conor Cc: Voiceops.org Subject: RE: [VoiceOps] Fast LNP Porting I have personally experienced wireless-to-wireless ports that happen in MINUTES, though; maybe an hour at most. As I recall, there was one that was a port to a prepaid phone service, and not only did it happen fast, but I did it really late at night, and it was all conducted by an automated system (sign-up via web site)?no human interaction required. How is THAT possible, and can that same experience be brought to non-wireless ports? (I suspect part of the answer is that account PIN code thing that seems to be standard with wireless accounts and that can be used in an automated fashion to verify ownership of the number and the account it is currently attached to.) -- Nathan From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:57 PM To: 'Calvin Ellison'; Colton Conor Cc: Voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fast LNP Porting Also want to note the simple versus complex port aspect, too. https://www.npac.com/number-portability/how-lnp-works ?Even providers who use manual processes, if there are no errors or issues with validations, and it is a simple port, the FCC has mandated that the request be completed within one business day.? Frank From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Calvin Ellison Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 11:34 AM To: Colton Conor Cc: Voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Fast LNP Porting Porting requires concurrence from the losing carrier to complete, which ultimately happens as an LRN update in the NPAC. Companies with direct access to NPAC can do this the quickest, otherwise they contract with an AOCN to handle the NPAC or use a bigger carrier, which can add delays. So long as you have the correct LSR information when submitting the port, concurrence should happen within a day. Ultimately the losing and gaining carriers both contribute to the turnaround time. Check out our wholesale services. We can do porting for voice, toll free and SMS. On Jun 15, 2015 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor at gmail.com <mailto:colton.conor at gmail.com> > wrote: Is there some way to port numbers extremely fast away from major landline providers like Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, etc? I met someone long ago that said they were able to port a number from anywhere in like one business day. If I remember right they mentioned something about being a cellular CLEC or something similar. I know porting in the cellular world is a same day kind of thing, but why not on the landline side? Is there some wholesaler out there that doesn't charge and arm and leg to port numbers? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org <mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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