Where can one get a digest of local access tariffs that is complementary to machine processing? Ten years ago, when I last cared about this, the canonical answer was CCMI. Is that still the answer? Any idea on pricing? Does anyone offer "can-this-NPA-NXX-call-that-NPA-NXX-locally"-aaS, but reliably? -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
Localcallingguide.com and it's free! Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting 615-791-9969 On 2017-11-14 02:44 AM, Alex Balashov wrote:
Where can one get a digest of local access tariffs that is complementary to machine processing?
Ten years ago, when I last cared about this, the canonical answer was CCMI. Is that still the answer?
Any idea on pricing? Does anyone offer "can-this-NPA-NXX-call-that-NPA-NXX-locally"-aaS, but reliably?
Not for routing every single call out of a service provider it isn't. :-) On November 14, 2017 2:24:27 PM EST, BackUP Telecom Consulting <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
Localcallingguide.com and it's free!
Mary Lou Carey
BackUP Telecom Consulting
615-791-9969
On 2017-11-14 02:44 AM, Alex Balashov wrote:
Where can one get a digest of local access tariffs that is complementary to machine processing?
Ten years ago, when I last cared about this, the canonical answer was CCMI. Is that still the answer?
Any idea on pricing? Does anyone offer "can-this-NPA-NXX-call-that-NPA-NXX-locally"-aaS, but reliably?
-- Alex -- Sent via mobile, please forgive typos and brevity.
Telcordia LCA provides this data http://www.trainfo.com/products_services/tra/downloads/lca.pdf Combined with the LERG you can get everything you need for NPANXX & LCA I have a script that eats it up and injects it into my Broadworks NS for local call routing. I use it for proper rating (billing trusts the Broadworks rating) and 7 digit dials when available. -Matt -- Matthew Crocker Crocker Communications, Inc. President On 11/14/17, 2:45 PM, "VoiceOps on behalf of Alex Balashov" <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org on behalf of abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote: Not for routing every single call out of a service provider it isn't. :-) On November 14, 2017 2:24:27 PM EST, BackUP Telecom Consulting <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote: >Localcallingguide.com and it's free! > >Mary Lou Carey > >BackUP Telecom Consulting > >615-791-9969 > >On 2017-11-14 02:44 AM, Alex Balashov wrote: >> Where can one get a digest of local access tariffs that is >> complementary >> to machine processing? >> >> Ten years ago, when I last cared about this, the canonical answer was >> CCMI. Is that still the answer? >> >> Any idea on pricing? Does anyone offer >> "can-this-NPA-NXX-call-that-NPA-NXX-locally"-aaS, but reliably? -- Alex -- Sent via mobile, please forgive typos and brevity. _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
I have a related side question. Is a local calling area determined by the LRN of the ANI or the DNIS? ~Jared On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Matthew Crocker <matthew at corp.crocker.com> wrote:
Telcordia LCA provides this data
http://www.trainfo.com/products_services/tra/downloads/lca.pdf
Combined with the LERG you can get everything you need for NPANXX & LCA
I have a script that eats it up and injects it into my Broadworks NS for local call routing. I use it for proper rating (billing trusts the Broadworks rating) and 7 digit dials when available.
-Matt
-- Matthew Crocker Crocker Communications, Inc. President
On 11/14/17, 2:45 PM, "VoiceOps on behalf of Alex Balashov" < voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org on behalf of abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
Not for routing every single call out of a service provider it isn't. :-)
On November 14, 2017 2:24:27 PM EST, BackUP Telecom Consulting < marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote: >Localcallingguide.com and it's free! > >Mary Lou Carey > >BackUP Telecom Consulting > >615-791-9969 > >On 2017-11-14 02:44 AM, Alex Balashov wrote: >> Where can one get a digest of local access tariffs that is >> complementary >> to machine processing? >> >> Ten years ago, when I last cared about this, the canonical answer was >> CCMI. Is that still the answer? >> >> Any idea on pricing? Does anyone offer >> "can-this-NPA-NXX-call-that-NPA-NXX-locally"-aaS, but reliably?
-- Alex
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On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 03:39:22PM -0800, Jared Geiger wrote:
I have a related side question. Is a local calling area determined by the LRN of the ANI or the DNIS?
LRN shouldn't matter, because you can't port out of a rate centre. It is determined by ANI and DNIS. It's really determined by which tandem trunk groups the call is put onto. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
You can port out of a rate center what u can't do is port out of a LATA so if you're a clec the LRN does truly matter for cost depending how you route your tandem traffic vs VoIP traffic. On Nov 14, 2017 1:42 PM, "Alex Balashov" <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 03:39:22PM -0800, Jared Geiger wrote:
I have a related side question. Is a local calling area determined by the LRN of the ANI or the DNIS?
LRN shouldn't matter, because you can't port out of a rate centre.
It is determined by ANI and DNIS. It's really determined by which tandem trunk groups the call is put onto.
-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
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On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 01:48:20PM -1000, Erik wrote:
You can port out of a rate center what u can't do is port out of a LATA so if you're a clec the LRN does truly matter for cost depending how you route your tandem traffic vs VoIP traffic.
You can't port out of a rate centre. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
Um, how would it work if rate centers no longer matched, you know, the actual location and rate... On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 01:48:20PM -1000, Erik wrote:
You can port out of a rate center what u can't do is port out of a LATA so if you're a clec the LRN does truly matter for cost depending how you route your tandem traffic vs VoIP traffic.
You can't port out of a rate centre.
-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
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Well, correction; you can port to a CLEC that can pick up the traffic at the tandem without DEOTs. That CLEC can have an entirely different local calling footprint and a different tariff. LCAs are basically an ILEC/RBOC concept, and that is the concept in which I am discussing them here. On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 06:54:34PM -0500, Alex Balashov wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 01:48:20PM -1000, Erik wrote:
You can port out of a rate center what u can't do is port out of a LATA so if you're a clec the LRN does truly matter for cost depending how you route your tandem traffic vs VoIP traffic.
You can't port out of a rate centre.
-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 06:59:16PM -0500, Alex Balashov wrote:
Well, correction; you can port to a CLEC that can pick up the traffic at the tandem without DEOTs. That CLEC can have an entirely different local calling footprint and a different tariff. LCAs are basically an ILEC/RBOC concept, and that is the concept in which I am discussing them here.
PPS. The catch is that the CLEC would have to pay switched access as opposed to reciprocal comp (or reciprocal bill-and-keep) when moving calls in a manner that would normally incur LD charges moving between ILEC rate centres intra-LATA. I think? -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
Yes you are certainly correct they only pay a fraction of a fraction of a penny based on an old mileage calculation. You can easily avoid this charge with trunks to the tandem in the location in question. On Nov 14, 2017 2:01 PM, "Alex Balashov" <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 06:59:16PM -0500, Alex Balashov wrote:
Well, correction; you can port to a CLEC that can pick up the traffic at the tandem without DEOTs. That CLEC can have an entirely different local calling footprint and a different tariff. LCAs are basically an ILEC/RBOC concept, and that is the concept in which I am discussing them here.
PPS. The catch is that the CLEC would have to pay switched access as opposed to reciprocal comp (or reciprocal bill-and-keep) when moving calls in a manner that would normally incur LD charges moving between ILEC rate centres intra-LATA.
I think?
-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
The NPANXX of the CallingParty sets the rate center. The rate center sets the list of all local NPANXX for the CalledParty. If the CalledParty NPANXX is in the list then it is a local call. LRN has nothing to do with it On Nov 14, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com<mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com>> wrote: On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 01:48:20PM -1000, Erik wrote: You can port out of a rate center what u can't do is port out of a LATA so if you're a clec the LRN does truly matter for cost depending how you route your tandem traffic vs VoIP traffic. You can't port out of a rate centre. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Correct.....and the tariffs of the called party's carrier identify determine whether the calling party is making a local or toll call. Local calling areas are very weird with the ILECs because two rate centers can make a local call to the same rate center but if you make a call between those two rate centers it's considered toll. For example, in my area Franklin and Murfreesboro are considered local to Nashville, but a call between Franklin and Murfreesboro is toll. Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting 615-791-9969 On 2017-11-14 06:40 PM, Matthew Crocker wrote:
The NPANXX of the CallingParty sets the rate center. The rate center sets the list of all local NPANXX for the CalledParty. If the CalledParty NPANXX is in the list then it is a local call.
LRN has nothing to do with it
On Nov 14, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 01:48:20PM -1000, Erik wrote:
You can port out of a rate center what u can't do is port out of a
LATA so if you're a clec the LRN does truly matter for cost depending
how you route your tandem traffic vs VoIP traffic.
You can't port out of a rate centre.
-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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Local calling areas were determined by the ILECs/RBOCs. CLECs can offer their customers a different local calling area, but I believe the CABS billing is still determined by the ILECs/RBOCs local calling area, which is listed in their tariffs. Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting 615-791-9969 On 2017-11-14 05:39 PM, Jared Geiger wrote:
I have a related side question. Is a local calling area determined by the LRN of the ANI or the DNIS?
~Jared
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Matthew Crocker <matthew at corp.crocker.com> wrote:
Telcordia LCA provides this data
http://www.trainfo.com/products_services/tra/downloads/lca.pdf [1]
Combined with the LERG you can get everything you need for NPANXX & LCA
I have a script that eats it up and injects it into my Broadworks NS for local call routing. I use it for proper rating (billing trusts the Broadworks rating) and 7 digit dials when available.
-Matt
-- Matthew Crocker Crocker Communications, Inc. President
On 11/14/17, 2:45 PM, "VoiceOps on behalf of Alex Balashov" <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org on behalf of abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
Not for routing every single call out of a service provider it isn't. :-)
On November 14, 2017 2:24:27 PM EST, BackUP Telecom Consulting <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
Localcallingguide.com and it's free!
Mary Lou Carey
BackUP Telecom Consulting
615-791-9969 [2]
On 2017-11-14 02:44 AM, Alex Balashov wrote:
Where can one get a digest of local access tariffs that is complementary to machine processing?
Ten years ago, when I last cared about this, the canonical answer was CCMI. Is that still the answer?
Any idea on pricing? Does anyone offer "can-this-NPA-NXX-call-that-NPA-NXX-locally"-aaS, but reliably?
-- Alex
-- Sent via mobile, please forgive typos and brevity. _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops [3]
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