I don't know how big your operation is, but I have difficulty visualising an ITSP whose revenue genuinely supports such an expensive venture for the narrow purpose of catching merely one kind of marginal problem, where the marginal utility of doing so would truly exceed the marginal cost. Perhaps you are the exception. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com Colin Brown <zavoid at gmail.com> wrote:
Because "should" and "is" are two different things. I've been burned too many times by "should" differing from what "actually is" so I'm looking to get the actual data delivered locally sent to My NOC in near real time.
On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:16 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
Is that really worth it? Why not just order a bunch of call forwarding products and/or forwarded DIDs around the world, and forward them back to an incoming number on your side? Route it to some clever program. The caller ID should be passed through end-to-end.
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com
Colin Brown <zavoid at gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have any experience or products you use that you like for remote international CLI testing?
basically I'm looking for a bunch of boxes I can put SIM cards into in various countries around the world that I can route my calls to and verify the CLI being set is being delivered correctly(and get that information back to my severs for reporting)
Thanks
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I'm not aware of any major wholesaler that manages different quality levels that doesn't have varying levels of capabilities to detect CLI on important routes. I'm just looking for If anyone is doing it on the cheap. The MRC cost of maintaining a number of sim cards on key routes is minimal when compared to the value of having 100% verifiable CLI on international routes. On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
I don't know how big your operation is, but I have difficulty visualising an ITSP whose revenue genuinely supports such an expensive venture for the narrow purpose of catching merely one kind of marginal problem, where the marginal utility of doing so would truly exceed the marginal cost. Perhaps you are the exception.
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com
Colin Brown <zavoid at gmail.com> wrote:
Because "should" and "is" are two different things. I've been burned too many times by "should" differing from what "actually is" so I'm looking to get the actual data delivered locally sent to My NOC in near real time.
On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:16 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
Is that really worth it? Why not just order a bunch of call forwarding products and/or forwarded DIDs around the world, and forward them back to an incoming number on your side? Route it to some clever program. The caller ID should be passed through end-to-end.
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com
Colin Brown <zavoid at gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have any experience or products you use that you like for remote international CLI testing?
basically I'm looking for a bunch of boxes I can put SIM cards into in various countries around the world that I can route my calls to and verify the CLI being set is being delivered correctly(and get that information back to my severs for reporting)
Thanks
Colin _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Why don't you just setup retail SIP trunks to various international providers? On 4/3/2012 9:34 PM, Colin Brown wrote:
I'm not aware of any major wholesaler that manages different quality levels that doesn't have varying levels of capabilities to detect CLI on important routes. I'm just looking for If anyone is doing it on the cheap.
The MRC cost of maintaining a number of sim cards on key routes is minimal when compared to the value of having 100% verifiable CLI on international routes.
On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Alex Balashov<abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
I don't know how big your operation is, but I have difficulty visualising an ITSP whose revenue genuinely supports such an expensive venture for the narrow purpose of catching merely one kind of marginal problem, where the marginal utility of doing so would truly exceed the marginal cost. Perhaps you are the exception.
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com
Colin Brown<zavoid at gmail.com> wrote:
Because "should" and "is" are two different things. I've been burned too many times by "should" differing from what "actually is" so I'm looking to get the actual data delivered locally sent to My NOC in near real time.
On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:16 PM, Alex Balashov<abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
Is that really worth it? Why not just order a bunch of call forwarding products and/or forwarded DIDs around the world, and forward them back to an incoming number on your side? Route it to some clever program. The caller ID should be passed through end-to-end.
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com
Colin Brown<zavoid at gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have any experience or products you use that you like for remote international CLI testing?
basically I'm looking for a bunch of boxes I can put SIM cards into in various countries around the world that I can route my calls to and verify the CLI being set is being delivered correctly(and get that information back to my severs for reporting)
Thanks
Colin _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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-- Lee Riemer Director of Technical Operations Bestline Communications, L.P. Voice 512.328.9095 Fax 512.328.9095
I'm trying to test cli delivery over mobile operators mostly. On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Lee Riemer <lriemer at bestline.net> wrote:
Why don't you just setup retail SIP trunks to various international providers?
On 4/3/2012 9:34 PM, Colin Brown wrote:
I'm not aware of any major wholesaler that manages different quality levels that doesn't have varying levels of capabilities to detect CLI on important routes. I'm just looking for If anyone is doing it on the cheap.
The MRC cost of maintaining a number of sim cards on key routes is minimal when compared to the value of having 100% verifiable CLI on international routes.
On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Alex Balashov<abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
I don't know how big your operation is, but I have difficulty visualising an ITSP whose revenue genuinely supports such an expensive venture for the narrow purpose of catching merely one kind of marginal problem, where the marginal utility of doing so would truly exceed the marginal cost. Perhaps you are the exception.
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com
Colin Brown<zavoid at gmail.com> wrote:
Because "should" and "is" are two different things. I've been burned too many times by "should" differing from what "actually is" so I'm looking to get the actual data delivered locally sent to My NOC in near real time.
On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:16 PM, Alex Balashov<abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
Is that really worth it? Why not just order a bunch of call forwarding products and/or forwarded DIDs around the world, and forward them back to an incoming number on your side? Route it to some clever program. The caller ID should be passed through end-to-end.
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com
Colin Brown<zavoid at gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have any experience or products you use that you like for remote international CLI testing?
basically I'm looking for a bunch of boxes I can put SIM cards into in various countries around the world that I can route my calls to and verify the CLI being set is being delivered correctly(and get that information back to my severs for reporting)
Thanks
Colin _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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A bit of thread drift here, but there's a whole industry doing just this (albeit not ITSPs) for fraud (or toll bypass) detection. Suppose an MNO wants to detect SIM gateway usage on its network. They'll have a bunch of boxes just like those which Colin's after scattered around their network, then the testing organisation goes and buys as many routes to that MNO as it can. They'll then make test calls down the various routes and see what CLIs are presented at the terminating boxes. If it's not the expected CLI, then it's (probably) the CLI of a SIM being used in a gateway or that of a leaky PABX. Work backwards to the owner, bust them, rinse and repeat. Given that there is serious money at stake (MTN Ghana recently reported estimated losses to SIM gateways of $9M in a 6 month period - that's about $1/subscriber) this is well worth doing. --Dave -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: 04 April 2012 03:23 To: Colin Brown Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] CLI sim testing I don't know how big your operation is, but I have difficulty visualising an ITSP whose revenue genuinely supports such an expensive venture for the narrow purpose of catching merely one kind of marginal problem, where the marginal utility of doing so would truly exceed the marginal cost. Perhaps you are the exception. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com Colin Brown <zavoid at gmail.com> wrote:
Because "should" and "is" are two different things. I've been burned too many times by "should" differing from what "actually is" so I'm looking to get the actual data delivered locally sent to My NOC in near real time.
On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:16 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
Is that really worth it? Why not just order a bunch of call forwarding products and/or forwarded DIDs around the world, and forward them back to an incoming number on your side? Route it to some clever program. The caller ID should be passed through end-to-end.
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com
Colin Brown <zavoid at gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have any experience or products you use that you like for remote international CLI testing?
basically I'm looking for a bunch of boxes I can put SIM cards into in various countries around the world that I can route my calls to and verify the CLI being set is being delivered correctly(and get that information back to my severs for reporting)
Thanks
Colin _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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David, I've seen a bunch of the services offering the sim gateway detection usage as well but I don't know any of the companies personally. I was hoping someone here maybe had some experience with them. On Apr 4, 2012, at 9:36 AM, David Knell wrote:
A bit of thread drift here, but there's a whole industry doing just this (albeit not ITSPs) for fraud (or toll bypass) detection. Suppose an MNO wants to detect SIM gateway usage on its network. They'll have a bunch of boxes just like those which Colin's after scattered around their network, then the testing organisation goes and buys as many routes to that MNO as it can. They'll then make test calls down the various routes and see what CLIs are presented at the terminating boxes. If it's not the expected CLI, then it's (probably) the CLI of a SIM being used in a gateway or that of a leaky PABX. Work backwards to the owner, bust them, rinse and repeat. Given that there is serious money at stake (MTN Ghana recently reported estimated losses to SIM gateways of $9M in a 6 month period - that's about $1/subscriber) this is well worth doing.
--Dave
-----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: 04 April 2012 03:23 To: Colin Brown Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] CLI sim testing
I don't know how big your operation is, but I have difficulty visualising an ITSP whose revenue genuinely supports such an expensive venture for the narrow purpose of catching merely one kind of marginal problem, where the marginal utility of doing so would truly exceed the marginal cost. Perhaps you are the exception.
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com
Colin Brown <zavoid at gmail.com> wrote:
Because "should" and "is" are two different things. I've been burned too many times by "should" differing from what "actually is" so I'm looking to get the actual data delivered locally sent to My NOC in near real time.
On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:16 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
Is that really worth it? Why not just order a bunch of call forwarding products and/or forwarded DIDs around the world, and forward them back to an incoming number on your side? Route it to some clever program. The caller ID should be passed through end-to-end.
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com
Colin Brown <zavoid at gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have any experience or products you use that you like for remote international CLI testing?
basically I'm looking for a bunch of boxes I can put SIM cards into in various countries around the world that I can route my calls to and verify the CLI being set is being delivered correctly(and get that information back to my severs for reporting)
Thanks
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