Hello VoiceOp'rs In 2015 the FCC released an order which allows non-CLEC VoIP providers to get numbers directly from the NANP: https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-voip-direct-access-numbering-repor... This document describes in great detail, well, not much; it doesn?t really get to the heart of the matter ? the *how*. I can think of several ways it * *could** be done, but don't know how it actually **is** done, Is anyone out there doing this today or was part of the trial and willing to discuss and/or maybe point me toward more engineering-y documentation or maybe even (*gasp*) a reference architecture? Thanks, Pete
It remains on the list of dreams deferred, aspirations unrealised, goals unaccomplished, and ambitions foreclosed. On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 04:04:17PM -0500, Pete Eisengrein wrote:
Hello VoiceOp'rs
In 2015 the FCC released an order which allows non-CLEC VoIP providers to get numbers directly from the NANP:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-voip-direct-access-numbering-repor...
This document describes in great detail, well, not much; it doesn?t really get to the heart of the matter ? the *how*. I can think of several ways it * *could** be done, but don't know how it actually **is** done,
Is anyone out there doing this today or was part of the trial and willing to discuss and/or maybe point me toward more engineering-y documentation or maybe even (*gasp*) a reference architecture?
Thanks,
Pete
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-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
Take a look here: https://www.nationalnanpa.com/tools/trainGuides/getting-started-for-intercon... 1. FCC waiver 2. File notice with States 3. OCN for IP-Enabled Services 4. Interconnect agreement with a CLEC or LEC capable of providing the IP handoff 5. POI CLLI to use as your switch in BIRRDS/LERG, SHA uses your interconnect provider's actual switch. Contact Inteliquent about their Host Switch product for VoIP carriers. It's real and it's already happening. Regards, *Calvin Ellison* Voice Operations Engineer calvin.ellison at voxox.com +1 (213) 285-0555 ----------------------------------------------- *voxox.com <http://www.voxox.com/> * 5825 Oberlin Drive, Suite 5 San Diego, CA 92121 [image: Voxox] On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Pete Eisengrein <peeip989 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello VoiceOp'rs
In 2015 the FCC released an order which allows non-CLEC VoIP providers to get numbers directly from the NANP:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-voip-direct- access-numbering-report-and-order
This document describes in great detail, well, not much; it doesn?t really get to the heart of the matter ? the *how*. I can think of several ways it **could** be done, but don't know how it actually **is** done,
Is anyone out there doing this today or was part of the trial and willing to discuss and/or maybe point me toward more engineering-y documentation or maybe even (*gasp*) a reference architecture?
Thanks,
Pete
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Thanks Calvin. Great info. On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Calvin Ellison <calvin.ellison at voxox.com> wrote:
Take a look here: https://www.nationalnanpa.com/tools/trainGuides/getting- started-for-interconnected-voip-providers.pdf
1. FCC waiver 2. File notice with States 3. OCN for IP-Enabled Services 4. Interconnect agreement with a CLEC or LEC capable of providing the IP handoff 5. POI CLLI to use as your switch in BIRRDS/LERG, SHA uses your interconnect provider's actual switch.
Contact Inteliquent about their Host Switch product for VoIP carriers. It's real and it's already happening.
Regards,
*Calvin Ellison* Voice Operations Engineer calvin.ellison at voxox.com +1 (213) 285-0555 <(213)%20285-0555>
----------------------------------------------- *voxox.com <http://www.voxox.com/> * 5825 Oberlin Drive, Suite 5 San Diego, CA 92121 [image: Voxox]
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Pete Eisengrein <peeip989 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello VoiceOp'rs
In 2015 the FCC released an order which allows non-CLEC VoIP providers to get numbers directly from the NANP:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-voip-direct-access -numbering-report-and-order
This document describes in great detail, well, not much; it doesn?t really get to the heart of the matter ? the *how*. I can think of several ways it **could** be done, but don't know how it actually **is** done,
Is anyone out there doing this today or was part of the trial and willing to discuss and/or maybe point me toward more engineering-y documentation or maybe even (*gasp*) a reference architecture?
Thanks,
Pete
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On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 01:27:16PM -0800, Calvin Ellison wrote:
It's real and it's already happening.
I've been told this for two or three years now. I'll believe it when I see it. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
It's as real as fax is dead. On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 01:27:16PM -0800, Calvin Ellison wrote:
It's real and it's already happening.
I've been told this for two or three years now. I'll believe it when I see it.
-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
I ported a number to FlowRoute directly..... Can't get any realer then that..... Erik On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
It's as real as fax is dead.
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 01:27:16PM -0800, Calvin Ellison wrote:
It's real and it's already happening.
I've been told this for two or three years now. I'll believe it when I see it.
-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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?What the what? I've ported TF numbers to Flowroute (as they're a RespOrg), which isn't surprising or new. But any local numbers that I have ported to Flowroute have always come up as Level3, or Onvoy, or whatever. Perhaps they are only in a limited number of states at this point. I definitely cannot find OCNs assigned to Flowroute in Idaho, or even in their home state of Washington. -- Nathan ________________________________ From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Erik Flournoy <erik at eespro.com> Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 9:37 PM To: Carlos Alvarez Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] VoIP Providers and direct NANP access I ported a number to FlowRoute directly..... Can't get any realer then that..... Erik On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com<mailto:caalvarez at gmail.com>> wrote: It's as real as fax is dead. On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com<mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com>> wrote: On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 01:27:16PM -0800, Calvin Ellison wrote:
It's real and it's already happening.
I've been told this for two or three years now. I'll believe it when I see it. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800<tel:%2B1-706-510-6800> / +1-800-250-5920<tel:%2B1-800-250-5920> (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
The power of the global helpdesk better know as google: https://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-ocn?ocn=683G I ported a TN to them in HAWAII how much more remote do you need to be... :-D Erik On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Nathan Anderson <nathana at fsr.com> wrote:
?What the what?
I've ported TF numbers to Flowroute (as they're a RespOrg), which isn't surprising or new. But any local numbers that I have ported to Flowroute have always come up as Level3, or Onvoy, or whatever.
Perhaps they are only in a limited number of states at this point. I definitely cannot find OCNs assigned to Flowroute in Idaho, or even in their home state of Washington.
-- Nathan ------------------------------ *From:* VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Erik Flournoy <erik at eespro.com> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2017 9:37 PM *To:* Carlos Alvarez *Cc:* voiceops at voiceops.org *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] VoIP Providers and direct NANP access
I ported a number to FlowRoute directly..... Can't get any realer then that.....
Erik
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
It's as real as fax is dead.
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 01:27:16PM -0800, Calvin Ellison wrote:
It's real and it's already happening.
I've been told this for two or three years now. I'll believe it when I see it.
-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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?That only shows TX ratecenters... What was the HI TN so's I can LRN lookup it? :) (off-list is fine) -- Nathan ________________________________ From: Erik Flournoy <erik at eespro.com> Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 11:31 PM To: Nathan Anderson Cc: Carlos Alvarez; voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] VoIP Providers and direct NANP access The power of the global helpdesk better know as google: https://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-ocn?ocn=683G I ported a TN to them in HAWAII how much more remote do you need to be... :-D Erik On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Nathan Anderson <nathana at fsr.com<mailto:nathana at fsr.com>> wrote: ?What the what? I've ported TF numbers to Flowroute (as they're a RespOrg), which isn't surprising or new. But any local numbers that I have ported to Flowroute have always come up as Level3, or Onvoy, or whatever. Perhaps they are only in a limited number of states at this point. I definitely cannot find OCNs assigned to Flowroute in Idaho, or even in their home state of Washington. -- Nathan ________________________________ From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org>> on behalf of Erik Flournoy <erik at eespro.com<mailto:erik at eespro.com>> Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 9:37 PM To: Carlos Alvarez Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] VoIP Providers and direct NANP access I ported a number to FlowRoute directly..... Can't get any realer then that..... Erik On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com<mailto:caalvarez at gmail.com>> wrote: It's as real as fax is dead. On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com<mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com>> wrote: On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 01:27:16PM -0800, Calvin Ellison wrote:
It's real and it's already happening.
I've been told this for two or three years now. I'll believe it when I see it. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800<tel:%2B1-706-510-6800> / +1-800-250-5920<tel:%2B1-800-250-5920> (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
http://www.localcallingguide.com/lca_prefix.php?ocn=197D On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 01:27:16PM -0800, Calvin Ellison wrote:
It's real and it's already happening.
I've been told this for two or three years now. I'll believe it when I see it.
-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
How many LECs are capable of providing an IP handoff so I don?t have to connect with them via TDM? From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Calvin Ellison Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 4:27 PM To: Pete Eisengrein <peeip989 at gmail.com> Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] VoIP Providers and direct NANP access Take a look here: https://www.nationalnanpa.com/tools/trainGuides/getting-started-for-intercon... 1. FCC waiver 2. File notice with States 3. OCN for IP-Enabled Services 4. Interconnect agreement with a CLEC or LEC capable of providing the IP handoff 5. POI CLLI to use as your switch in BIRRDS/LERG, SHA uses your interconnect provider's actual switch. Contact Inteliquent about their Host Switch product for VoIP carriers. It's real and it's already happening. Regards, Calvin Ellison Voice Operations Engineer calvin.ellison at voxox.com<mailto:calvin.ellison at voxox.com> +1 (213) 285-0555 ----------------------------------------------- voxox.com<http://www.voxox.com/> 5825 Oberlin Drive, Suite 5 San Diego, CA 92121 [Voxox] On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Pete Eisengrein <peeip989 at gmail.com<mailto:peeip989 at gmail.com>> wrote: Hello VoiceOp'rs In 2015 the FCC released an order which allows non-CLEC VoIP providers to get numbers directly from the NANP: https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-voip-direct-access-numbering-repor... This document describes in great detail, well, not much; it doesn?t really get to the heart of the matter ? the how. I can think of several ways it *could* be done, but don't know how it actually *is* done, Is anyone out there doing this today or was part of the trial and willing to discuss and/or maybe point me toward more engineering-y documentation or maybe even (*gasp*) a reference architecture? Thanks, Pete _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
I only have direct experience with the Host Switch offering from Inteliquent. They can provide IP handoff from their CLEC to VoIP carriers, or to other CLECs depending on the LEC. CLECs lose any CABS revenue, but that's nearly as dead a Betamax anyway. You may still need to sign an ICA with the LEC even if you aren't directly connected to them. We've had a mostly positive experience moving one of our CLEC markets to this. It's much more cost-effective for us to have a single private IP interconnect with Inteliquent than to keep our own LEC interconnects, cross connects, SS7 links, etc. They can also failover traffic to our public networks, in multiple data centers. The biggest problem we had was not Inteliquent's fault. We changed the SHA on our existing CLLI and many carriers failed to update routing on the effective date. In hindsight, we probably should have used brand new POI instead of migrating existing ones. I'd love to hear from you all if there was any other way to have avoided that disruption. Regards, *Calvin Ellison* Voice Operations Engineer calvin.ellison at voxox.com +1 (213) 285-0555 ----------------------------------------------- *voxox.com <http://www.voxox.com/> * 5825 Oberlin Drive, Suite 5 San Diego, CA 92121 [image: Voxox] On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan at finnesey.com> wrote:
How many LECs are capable of providing an IP handoff so I don?t have to connect with them via TDM?
*From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] *On Behalf Of *Calvin Ellison *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2017 4:27 PM *To:* Pete Eisengrein <peeip989 at gmail.com> *Cc:* voiceops at voiceops.org *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] VoIP Providers and direct NANP access
Take a look here:
https://www.nationalnanpa.com/tools/trainGuides/getting- started-for-interconnected-voip-providers.pdf
1. FCC waiver 2. File notice with States 3. OCN for IP-Enabled Services 4. Interconnect agreement with a CLEC or LEC capable of providing the IP handoff 5. POI CLLI to use as your switch in BIRRDS/LERG, SHA uses your interconnect provider's actual switch.
Contact Inteliquent about their Host Switch product for VoIP carriers. It's real and it's already happening.
Regards,
*Calvin Ellison* Voice Operations Engineer calvin.ellison at voxox.com +1 (213) 285-0555 <(213)%20285-0555>
----------------------------------------------- *voxox.com <http://www.voxox.com/> * 5825 Oberlin Drive, Suite 5 San Diego, CA 92121
[image: Voxox]
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Pete Eisengrein <peeip989 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello VoiceOp'rs
In 2015 the FCC released an order which allows non-CLEC VoIP providers to get numbers directly from the NANP:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-voip-direct- access-numbering-report-and-order
This document describes in great detail, well, not much; it doesn?t really get to the heart of the matter ? the *how*. I can think of several ways it **could** be done, but don't know how it actually **is** done,
Is anyone out there doing this today or was part of the trial and willing to discuss and/or maybe point me toward more engineering-y documentation or maybe even (*gasp*) a reference architecture?
Thanks,
Pete
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Running a CLEC of one's own with a purely SIGTRAN link through someone else's physical POI has been possible for a long time, and many large CLECs provide this service to small CLECs, particularly ones which exist for some narrow purpose like providing the back side of a specific VoIP product. I guess the difference is now you can do this without actually obtaining CLEC status as such? The other steps are a pain (mainly ICA), but not having to petition the state PUC certainly cuts some of the work out. I guess. -- Alex -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
The advantage to VoIP is cost, assuming you don't need to order dial tone to anyone through the LEC. $375 per state CLEC OCN adds up, versus one nationwide IPES OCN, and you're already paying $950 per LATA for POI CLLI either way. Regards, *Calvin Ellison* Voice Operations Engineer calvin.ellison at voxox.com +1 (213) 285-0555 ----------------------------------------------- *voxox.com <http://www.voxox.com/> * 5825 Oberlin Drive, Suite 5 San Diego, CA 92121 [image: Voxox] On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
Running a CLEC of one's own with a purely SIGTRAN link through someone else's physical POI has been possible for a long time, and many large CLECs provide this service to small CLECs, particularly ones which exist for some narrow purpose like providing the back side of a specific VoIP product.
I guess the difference is now you can do this without actually obtaining CLEC status as such?
The other steps are a pain (mainly ICA), but not having to petition the state PUC certainly cuts some of the work out. I guess.
-- Alex
-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
Oh, I see. So the one OCN for every LATA obligation doesn't exist? -- Alex
On Mar 10, 2017, at 5:11 PM, Calvin Ellison <calvin.ellison at voxox.com> wrote:
The advantage to VoIP is cost, assuming you don't need to order dial tone to anyone through the LEC. $375 per state CLEC OCN adds up, versus one nationwide IPES OCN, and you're already paying $950 per LATA for POI CLLI either way.
Regards,
Calvin Ellison Voice Operations Engineer calvin.ellison at voxox.com +1 (213) 285-0555
----------------------------------------------- voxox.com 5825 Oberlin Drive, Suite 5 San Diego, CA 92121
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote: Running a CLEC of one's own with a purely SIGTRAN link through someone else's physical POI has been possible for a long time, and many large CLECs provide this service to small CLECs, particularly ones which exist for some narrow purpose like providing the back side of a specific VoIP product.
I guess the difference is now you can do this without actually obtaining CLEC status as such?
The other steps are a pain (mainly ICA), but not having to petition the state PUC certainly cuts some of the work out. I guess.
-- Alex
-- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
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