Say a subscriber ports a number to/from a different telco. Then, after some time, the subscriber decides they no longer want the phone number (or phone service in general). What should be done with this abandoned number? Should the number immediately be returned to the donor telco? Should the number be returned to the donor telco after aging? Is it permissible for the recipient telco to add this number to their inventory and then re-assign the number to a different subscriber?
Common practice is to age them out and then push them back to the original block holder. Greg Stone Senior Voice Network Engineer Race Communications E : greg.stone at race.com P : +1 8777223833<tel:+1%208777223833> Web : Visit Race.com<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.race.c...> -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Johnston via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Date: 10/14/22 7:37 AM (GMT-08:00) To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Say a subscriber ports a number to/from a different telco. Then, after some time, the subscriber decides they no longer want the phone number (or phone service in general). What should be done with this abandoned number? Should the number immediately be returned to the donor telco? Should the number be returned to the donor telco after aging? Is it permissible for the recipient telco to add this number to their inventory and then re-assign the number to a different subscriber? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpuck.nether.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fvoiceops&data=05%7C01%7Cgreg.stone%40race.com%7Cbc900d0c35e74b76f34308daadf1aa95%7Cc4f7941052bf4601be443afdc7670fe9%7C1%7C0%7C638013550723280018%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8jxDiA2LWg3yPXDSnc5SbtsYYJ%2Bti3XcjX01bIohEFs%3D&reserved=0
How does that work? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stone via VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> To: "Mike Johnston" <mjohnston at wiktel.com>, voiceops at voiceops.org Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 9:47:28 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers Common practice is to age them out and then push them back to the original block holder. Greg Stone Senior Voice Network Engineer Race Communications E : greg.stone at race.com P : +1 8777223833 Web : Visit Race.com -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Johnston via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Date: 10/14/22 7:37 AM (GMT-08:00) To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Say a subscriber ports a number to/from a different telco. Then, after some time, the subscriber decides they no longer want the phone number (or phone service in general). What should be done with this abandoned number? Should the number immediately be returned to the donor telco? Should the number be returned to the donor telco after aging? Is it permissible for the recipient telco to add this number to their inventory and then re-assign the number to a different subscriber? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpuck.nether.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fvoiceops&data=05%7C01%7Cgreg.stone%40race.com%7Cbc900d0c35e74b76f34308daadf1aa95%7Cc4f7941052bf4601be443afdc7670fe9%7C1%7C0%7C638013550723280018%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8jxDiA2LWg3yPXDSnc5SbtsYYJ%2Bti3XcjX01bIohEFs%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
It's been a long time since I've used NPAC personally but there is a cancel button if I recall correctly and it pushes the number back to the original pooling carrier. Greg Stone Senior Voice Network Engineer Race Communications E : greg.stone at race.com P : +1 8777223833<tel:+1%208777223833> Web : Visit Race.com<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.race.c...> -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> Date: 10/14/22 7:49 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Greg Stone <Greg.Stone at race.com> Cc: Mike Johnston <mjohnston at wiktel.com>, voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers You don't often get email from voiceops at ics-il.net. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> How does that work? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ________________________________ From: "Greg Stone via VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> To: "Mike Johnston" <mjohnston at wiktel.com>, voiceops at voiceops.org Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 9:47:28 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers Common practice is to age them out and then push them back to the original block holder. Greg Stone Senior Voice Network Engineer Race Communications E : greg.stone at race.com P : +1 8777223833<tel:+1%208777223833> Web : Visit Race.com<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.race.c...> -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Johnston via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Date: 10/14/22 7:37 AM (GMT-08:00) To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Say a subscriber ports a number to/from a different telco. Then, after some time, the subscriber decides they no longer want the phone number (or phone service in general). What should be done with this abandoned number? Should the number immediately be returned to the donor telco? Should the number be returned to the donor telco after aging? Is it permissible for the recipient telco to add this number to their inventory and then re-assign the number to a different subscriber? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpuck.nether.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fvoiceops&data=05%7C01%7Cgreg.stone%40race.com%7Cbc900d0c35e74b76f34308daadf1aa95%7Cc4f7941052bf4601be443afdc7670fe9%7C1%7C0%7C638013550723280018%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8jxDiA2LWg3yPXDSnc5SbtsYYJ%2Bti3XcjX01bIohEFs%3D&reserved=0<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpuck.nether.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fvoiceops&data=05%7C01%7CGreg.Stone%40race.com%7C8158f613b4924658b09308daadf34b8a%7Cc4f7941052bf4601be443afdc7670fe9%7C1%7C1%7C638013557703973687%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7y7cAUJAy7YiJgrBc%2FjpwXaGcz4zCEvGCKduyaaoV3c%3D&reserved=0> _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
I know the LNP coordinator in our company occasionally sends out "NPAC Disconnects" spreadsheets of numbers that have been returned to us, so presumably this is an NPAC process. On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 8:03 AM Greg Stone via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
It's been a long time since I've used NPAC personally but there is a cancel button if I recall correctly and it pushes the number back to the original pooling carrier.
Greg Stone Senior Voice Network Engineer Race Communications *E :* greg.stone at race.com
*P : *+1 8777223833 <+1%208777223833>
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-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> Date: 10/14/22 7:49 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Greg Stone <Greg.Stone at race.com> Cc: Mike Johnston <mjohnston at wiktel.com>, voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers
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------------------------------ *From: *"Greg Stone via VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> *To: *"Mike Johnston" <mjohnston at wiktel.com>, voiceops at voiceops.org *Sent: *Friday, October 14, 2022 9:47:28 AM *Subject: *Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers
Common practice is to age them out and then push them back to the original block holder.
Greg Stone Senior Voice Network Engineer Race Communications *E :* greg.stone at race.com
*P : *+1 8777223833 <+1%208777223833>
*Web : *Visit Race.com <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.race.c...>
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Johnston via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Date: 10/14/22 7:37 AM (GMT-08:00) To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers
CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
Say a subscriber ports a number to/from a different telco. Then, after some time, the subscriber decides they no longer want the phone number (or phone service in general). What should be done with this abandoned number?
Should the number immediately be returned to the donor telco?
Should the number be returned to the donor telco after aging?
Is it permissible for the recipient telco to add this number to their inventory and then re-assign the number to a different subscriber? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org
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How would the original carrier know? I've never seen anything about numbers being returned to us. Maybe my employees are ignoring them, maybe the emails are lost, maybe we have to fetch it from somewhere. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shultz via VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> To: voiceops at voiceops.org Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 10:06:48 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers I know the LNP coordinator in our company occasionally sends out "NPAC Disconnects" spreadsheets of numbers that have been returned to us, so presumably this is an NPAC process. On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 8:03 AM Greg Stone via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org > wrote: It's been a long time since I've used NPAC personally but there is a cancel button if I recall correctly and it pushes the number back to the original pooling carrier. Greg Stone Senior Voice Network Engineer Race Communications E : greg.stone at race.com P : +1 8777223833 Web : Visit Race.com -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hammett < voiceops at ics-il.net > Date: 10/14/22 7:49 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Greg Stone < Greg.Stone at race.com > Cc: Mike Johnston < mjohnston at wiktel.com >, voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers You don't often get email from voiceops at ics-il.net . Learn why this is important How does that work? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: "Greg Stone via VoiceOps" < voiceops at voiceops.org > To: "Mike Johnston" < mjohnston at wiktel.com >, voiceops at voiceops.org Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 9:47:28 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers Common practice is to age them out and then push them back to the original block holder. Greg Stone Senior Voice Network Engineer Race Communications E : greg.stone at race.com P : +1 8777223833 Web : Visit Race.com -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Johnston via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org > Date: 10/14/22 7:37 AM (GMT-08:00) To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Say a subscriber ports a number to/from a different telco. Then, after some time, the subscriber decides they no longer want the phone number (or phone service in general). What should be done with this abandoned number? Should the number immediately be returned to the donor telco? Should the number be returned to the donor telco after aging? Is it permissible for the recipient telco to add this number to their inventory and then re-assign the number to a different subscriber? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpuck.nether.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fvoiceops&data=05%7C01%7Cgreg.stone%40race.com%7Cbc900d0c35e74b76f34308daadf1aa95%7Cc4f7941052bf4601be443afdc7670fe9%7C1%7C0%7C638013550723280018%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8jxDiA2LWg3yPXDSnc5SbtsYYJ%2Bti3XcjX01bIohEFs%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops -- Jeff Shultz Central Office Technician SCTC (503) 769-2125 Go Big Ask for Gig Like us on Social Media for News, Promotions, and other information!! https://www.instagram.com/sctc_sctc/ *** This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. *** _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Depends on who/what you use for NPAC access, or if you use like LTI..etc. We built our own SOA and LSMS XML platform so we didn't have to go through a third-party like Neustar or 10x..etc. We get a notification (via our normal XML mechanized interface) when a TN is disconnected in the NPAC back to us for any of our SPID's. Likewise there is a SOA action you can call to disconnect/remove an SV for a given TN. Not everyone does it. But most of the iLEC's ..etc do honor it and disconnect TN's back regularly. If you use LTI, I'm not sure how it's presented there. ________________________________ From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 11:19 AM To: Jeff Shultz <jeffshultz at sctcweb.com> Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers How would the original carrier know? I've never seen anything about numbers being returned to us. Maybe my employees are ignoring them, maybe the emails are lost, maybe we have to fetch it from somewhere. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ________________________________ From: "Jeff Shultz via VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> To: voiceops at voiceops.org Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 10:06:48 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers I know the LNP coordinator in our company occasionally sends out "NPAC Disconnects" spreadsheets of numbers that have been returned to us, so presumably this is an NPAC process. On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 8:03 AM Greg Stone via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> wrote: It's been a long time since I've used NPAC personally but there is a cancel button if I recall correctly and it pushes the number back to the original pooling carrier. Greg Stone Senior Voice Network Engineer Race Communications E : greg.stone at race.com<mailto:greg.stone at race.com> P : +1 8777223833<tel:+1%208777223833> Web : Visit Race.com<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.race.c...> -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net<mailto:voiceops at ics-il.net>> Date: 10/14/22 7:49 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Greg Stone <Greg.Stone at race.com<mailto:Greg.Stone at race.com>> Cc: Mike Johnston <mjohnston at wiktel.com<mailto:mjohnston at wiktel.com>>, voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers You don't often get email from voiceops at ics-il.net<mailto:voiceops at ics-il.net>. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> How does that work? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ________________________________ From: "Greg Stone via VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> To: "Mike Johnston" <mjohnston at wiktel.com<mailto:mjohnston at wiktel.com>>, voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 9:47:28 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers Common practice is to age them out and then push them back to the original block holder. Greg Stone Senior Voice Network Engineer Race Communications E : greg.stone at race.com<mailto:greg.stone at race.com> P : +1 8777223833<tel:+1%208777223833> Web : Visit Race.com<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.race.c...> -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Johnston via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> Date: 10/14/22 7:37 AM (GMT-08:00) To: voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Say a subscriber ports a number to/from a different telco. Then, after some time, the subscriber decides they no longer want the phone number (or phone service in general). What should be done with this abandoned number? Should the number immediately be returned to the donor telco? Should the number be returned to the donor telco after aging? 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NPAC Helpdesk has a form called MUMP that you can use to return TNs or thousand blocks. You log into the NPAC Helpdesk to download a copy of the form and then submit it via a service order. If you need help doing it I can walk you through it. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2022-10-14 02:41 PM, Nick Olsen via VoiceOps wrote:
Depends on who/what you use for NPAC access, or if you use like LTI..etc.
We built our own SOA and LSMS XML platform so we didn't have to go through a third-party like Neustar or 10x..etc.
We get a notification (via our normal XML mechanized interface) when a TN is disconnected in the NPAC back to us for any of our SPID's. Likewise there is a SOA action you can call to disconnect/remove an SV for a given TN.
Not everyone does it. But most of the iLEC's ..etc do honor it and disconnect TN's back regularly.
If you use LTI, I'm not sure how it's presented there.
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From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 11:19 AM To: Jeff Shultz <jeffshultz at sctcweb.com> Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers
How would the original carrier know? I've never seen anything about numbers being returned to us. Maybe my employees are ignoring them, maybe the emails are lost, maybe we have to fetch it from somewhere.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Jeff Shultz via VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> To: voiceops at voiceops.org Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 10:06:48 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers
I know the LNP coordinator in our company occasionally sends out "NPAC Disconnects" spreadsheets of numbers that have been returned to us, so presumably this is an NPAC process.
On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 8:03 AM Greg Stone via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
It's been a long time since I've used NPAC personally but there is a cancel button if I recall correctly and it pushes the number back to the original pooling carrier.
Greg Stone Senior Voice Network Engineer Race Communications E : greg.stone at race.com
P : +1 8777223833 [1]__
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-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> Date: 10/14/22 7:49 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Greg Stone <Greg.Stone at race.com> Cc: Mike Johnston <mjohnston at wiktel.com>, voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers
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From: "Greg Stone via VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> To: "Mike Johnston" <mjohnston at wiktel.com>, voiceops at voiceops.org Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 9:47:28 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers
Common practice is to age them out and then push them back to the original block holder.
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-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Johnston via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Date: 10/14/22 7:37 AM (GMT-08:00) To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Abandoned Ported Numbers
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Say a subscriber ports a number to/from a different telco. Then, after some time, the subscriber decides they no longer want the phone number (or phone service in general). What should be done with this abandoned number?
Should the number immediately be returned to the donor telco?
Should the number be returned to the donor telco after aging?
Is it permissible for the recipient telco to add this number to their inventory and then re-assign the number to a different subscriber? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org
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Can anybody reference any regulations that would /require/ such numbers be returned?? Something from say, the FCC's website? I'm looking to provide for something more than just, "common practice". I appreciate everybody's help!
NXX Guidelines can be found at https://nationalpooling.com/ Then click on the documents link. Its most likely in the FCC NRO (Numbering Resource Optimization) orders. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2022-10-14 10:46 AM, Mike Johnston via VoiceOps wrote:
Can anybody reference any regulations that would _require_ such numbers be returned? Something from say, the FCC's website? I'm looking to provide for something more than just, "common practice".
I appreciate everybody's help! _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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