Sorry if this was already discussed and I missed it. I saw a notice on our Voip Innovations account today that any business DID's that send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be registered with 'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already gone through this? Talking to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI requirement to be registered by Dec 15. The whole process seems confusing. VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. $10,000/violation keeps being referenced. Would each one of my customers be considered a separate campaign at $10/month?
Check out TheCampaignRegistry.com (TCR). They have some decent resources explaining this. You pay for each "brand" which probably matches 1:1 to your customer and for each "campaign" each customer has. Some brands could have more than one campaign depending on their needs and how you slice it. See if your provider can register your brands or if you need to get setup directly with TCR. - Heath On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 1:37 PM Nate Burke <nate at blastcomm.com> wrote:
Sorry if this was already discussed and I missed it. I saw a notice on our Voip Innovations account today that any business DID's that send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be registered with 'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already gone through this? Talking to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI requirement to be registered by Dec 15.
The whole process seems confusing. VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. $10,000/violation keeps being referenced.
Would each one of my customers be considered a separate campaign at $10/month? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Nate, See a thread I started a few months ago about this matter. I got a lot of negative responses for being an alarmist. Basically these requirements are set by the different mobile carriers and they are not the same. Yes, they all consider customers to be businesses (A2P). No customer is a consumer (P2P) in the eyes of these carriers, TCR and even the person who answered you before. I don't think that the penalty is $10,000 but VI may be trying to deter you from using SMS without registering. You may want to consider using a different carrier for SMS. Other carriers will also offer to help you register with TCR. Good luck with dealing with that headache, feel free to contact me off list to see if we can share some information on dealing with this. Regards, Oren On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 3:37 PM Nate Burke <nate at blastcomm.com> wrote:
Sorry if this was already discussed and I missed it. I saw a notice on our Voip Innovations account today that any business DID's that send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be registered with 'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already gone through this? Talking to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI requirement to be registered by Dec 15.
The whole process seems confusing. VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. $10,000/violation keeps being referenced.
Would each one of my customers be considered a separate campaign at $10/month? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Alarmist is warranted. I am equally perplexed by the inconsistent rules, the vague language, and by everyone insisting that T-Mobile will unilaterally issue $10k fines per message. On what authority? What is the appeals process? Dozens of questions, nearly no answers. I just sent a text from one of my business numbers in response to a client who texted it. Is this a campaign? The whole thing where everything that's not another cell phone is considered automated and not P2P seems disgusting, if not actually illegal and fraudulent. On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 4:16 PM Oren Yehezkely <orenyny at gmail.com> wrote:
Nate,
See a thread I started a few months ago about this matter. I got a lot of negative responses for being an alarmist.
Basically these requirements are set by the different mobile carriers and they are not the same.
Yes, they all consider customers to be businesses (A2P). No customer is a consumer (P2P) in the eyes of these carriers, TCR and even the person who answered you before.
I don't think that the penalty is $10,000 but VI may be trying to deter you from using SMS without registering. You may want to consider using a different carrier for SMS. Other carriers will also offer to help you register with TCR.
Good luck with dealing with that headache, feel free to contact me off list to see if we can share some information on dealing with this.
Regards, Oren
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 3:37 PM Nate Burke <nate at blastcomm.com> wrote:
Sorry if this was already discussed and I missed it. I saw a notice on our Voip Innovations account today that any business DID's that send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be registered with 'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already gone through this? Talking to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI requirement to be registered by Dec 15.
The whole process seems confusing. VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. $10,000/violation keeps being referenced.
Would each one of my customers be considered a separate campaign at $10/month? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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While I understand the concern, and it is warranted for your customers who are using 10DLC numbers for business-related SMS, The Campaign Registry (TCR) will evaluate your business case for P2P if you have a valid one, such as a business that offers residential phone service. I've implemented the CTIA Best Practices as best I can in code to block customers who attempt to use our clearly-stated P2P SMS service for A2P purposes. They get blocked immediately, we get notified, and we educate them on the current SMS landscape and explain why they cannot use 10-digit local US Numbers to send business SMS without registration. When we explain the costs, they usually complain and go elsewhere. I'll be curious how Twilio and Plivo and others are going to handle this. I know that Twilio treats all SMS traffic as A2P from a fee perspective, but with the whole registration business it's gonna get ugly quickly. The Campaign Registry offers an API, so I'm assuming that 3rd parties will tell customers to go register their brand and they'll enable SMS once TCR approves. https://csp-api.campaignregistry.com/v1/restAPI For any business who has legitimate P2P traffic -- see the CTIA Best Practices -- contact TCR to see if they agree. Beckman On Mon, 29 Nov 2021, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
Alarmist is warranted. I am equally perplexed by the inconsistent rules, the vague language, and by everyone insisting that T-Mobile will unilaterally issue $10k fines per message. On what authority? What is the appeals process? Dozens of questions, nearly no answers.
I just sent a text from one of my business numbers in response to a client who texted it. Is this a campaign?
The whole thing where everything that's not another cell phone is considered automated and not P2P seems disgusting, if not actually illegal and fraudulent.
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 4:16 PM Oren Yehezkely <orenyny at gmail.com> wrote:
Nate,
See a thread I started a few months ago about this matter. I got a lot of negative responses for being an alarmist.
Basically these requirements are set by the different mobile carriers and they are not the same.
Yes, they all consider customers to be businesses (A2P). No customer is a consumer (P2P) in the eyes of these carriers, TCR and even the person who answered you before.
I don't think that the penalty is $10,000 but VI may be trying to deter you from using SMS without registering. You may want to consider using a different carrier for SMS. Other carriers will also offer to help you register with TCR.
Good luck with dealing with that headache, feel free to contact me off list to see if we can share some information on dealing with this.
Regards, Oren
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 3:37 PM Nate Burke <nate at blastcomm.com> wrote:
Sorry if this was already discussed and I missed it. I saw a notice on our Voip Innovations account today that any business DID's that send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be registered with 'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already gone through this? Talking to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI requirement to be registered by Dec 15.
The whole process seems confusing. VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. $10,000/violation keeps being referenced.
Would each one of my customers be considered a separate campaign at $10/month? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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I look at this like this: If I threatened to charge $10k fees to t-mobile because they didn't use a website i told them to use, that requires individual due diligence and paperwork before sending my users text messages that were business related, they'd laugh at me vigorously. Even if I told them "no, it's ok, I just need you to do this for your business customers. Just remove texting from all your business users (and individuals using their phones for small businesses) and charge your business cell phone customers more, what's the issue? Don't forget to maintain all this other data on behalf of the random end users you deal with to ensure they stay in compliance with acceptable texting" It's only OK to do to us because we're smaller than T-Mobile, and they can just block our customer's services. This would be insanely illegal to do with voice traffic, and would raise all sorts of competitive concerns. But cartel behavior is somehow OK if it makes a laughable attempt at addressing spam texts. I shouldn't need mom's permission to send texts. This is still a public switched phone network, right? -Paul ________________________________ From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 4:52 PM To: Carlos Alvarez Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] VoIP SMS Campaign Fees While I understand the concern, and it is warranted for your customers who are using 10DLC numbers for business-related SMS, The Campaign Registry (TCR) will evaluate your business case for P2P if you have a valid one, such as a business that offers residential phone service. I've implemented the CTIA Best Practices as best I can in code to block customers who attempt to use our clearly-stated P2P SMS service for A2P purposes. They get blocked immediately, we get notified, and we educate them on the current SMS landscape and explain why they cannot use 10-digit local US Numbers to send business SMS without registration. When we explain the costs, they usually complain and go elsewhere. I'll be curious how Twilio and Plivo and others are going to handle this. I know that Twilio treats all SMS traffic as A2P from a fee perspective, but with the whole registration business it's gonna get ugly quickly. The Campaign Registry offers an API, so I'm assuming that 3rd parties will tell customers to go register their brand and they'll enable SMS once TCR approves. https://csp-api.campaignregistry.com/v1/restAPI For any business who has legitimate P2P traffic -- see the CTIA Best Practices -- contact TCR to see if they agree. Beckman On Mon, 29 Nov 2021, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
Alarmist is warranted. I am equally perplexed by the inconsistent rules, the vague language, and by everyone insisting that T-Mobile will unilaterally issue $10k fines per message. On what authority? What is the appeals process? Dozens of questions, nearly no answers.
I just sent a text from one of my business numbers in response to a client who texted it. Is this a campaign?
The whole thing where everything that's not another cell phone is considered automated and not P2P seems disgusting, if not actually illegal and fraudulent.
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 4:16 PM Oren Yehezkely <orenyny at gmail.com> wrote:
Nate,
See a thread I started a few months ago about this matter. I got a lot of negative responses for being an alarmist.
Basically these requirements are set by the different mobile carriers and they are not the same.
Yes, they all consider customers to be businesses (A2P). No customer is a consumer (P2P) in the eyes of these carriers, TCR and even the person who answered you before.
I don't think that the penalty is $10,000 but VI may be trying to deter you from using SMS without registering. You may want to consider using a different carrier for SMS. Other carriers will also offer to help you register with TCR.
Good luck with dealing with that headache, feel free to contact me off list to see if we can share some information on dealing with this.
Regards, Oren
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 3:37 PM Nate Burke <nate at blastcomm.com> wrote:
Sorry if this was already discussed and I missed it. I saw a notice on our Voip Innovations account today that any business DID's that send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be registered with 'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already gone through this? Talking to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI requirement to be registered by Dec 15.
The whole process seems confusing. VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. $10,000/violation keeps being referenced.
Would each one of my customers be considered a separate campaign at $10/month? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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100% agree here. This is cartel / monopoly behavior and should be attacked as such. The facts as I understand them are: 1. All API originated traffic is considered A2P regardless of if its an app with a physical single person thumbing in messages at the far end. API involved = A2P. Done (lets ignore the fact that iMessage and Android messaging are now API as well) 2. This means all non MNO traffic is A2P and subject to the fees 3. If my customers who are single/small users, cancelled my service and signed up for VZW they would get the same service (actually much less) but not have to deal with this (this is the sort of antitrust behavior Microsoft has been sued for and lost multiple times over). 4. TCR is in effect levying a tax, but is a private entity, whose proceeds and use thereof are not public record. Honestly I cannot figure out what the cost justification for the whole thing really is or how they arrived at the pricing. Are we complying? Yes because the average customer simply doesn't / wont care why their messages aren't going through and presume you are at fault / incompetent. This isn't the hill I am going to pick to die on. What we are doing is passing this through nearly 100% with links on our invoices to a page explaining why this is happening. This gives us to the penny accounting as well as we are quite keen to join any class-action suit on the topic. I may start one if I can find counsel and enough to join in. We can all thank Ajit Pai for this. SMS is a telecom service not a data service. There is no longer a differentiation, data = telecom today. -Ryan On 11/29/2021 11:30 AM, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
Alarmist is warranted.? I am equally perplexed by the inconsistent rules, the vague language, and by everyone insisting that T-Mobile will unilaterally issue $10k fines per message.? On what authority?? What is the appeals process? Dozens of questions, nearly no answers.
I just sent a text from one of my business numbers in response to a client who texted it.? Is this a campaign?
The whole thing where everything that's not another cell phone is considered automated and not P2P seems disgusting, if not actually illegal and fraudulent.
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 4:16 PM Oren Yehezkely <orenyny at gmail.com> wrote:
Nate,
See a thread I started a few months ago about this matter. I got a lot of negative responses for being an alarmist.
Basically these requirements are set by the different?mobile carriers and they are not the same.
Yes, they all consider customers to be businesses (A2P). No customer is a consumer (P2P) in the eyes of these carriers, TCR and even the person?who answered?you before.
I don't think that the penalty is $10,000 but VI may be trying to deter you from using SMS without registering. You may want to consider using a different carrier for SMS. Other carriers will also offer?to help you register with TCR.
Good luck with dealing with that headache, feel free to contact me off list to see if we can share some information on dealing with this.
Regards, Oren
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 3:37 PM Nate Burke <nate at blastcomm.com> wrote:
Sorry if this was already discussed and I missed it.? I saw a notice on our Voip Innovations account today that any business DID's that send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be registered with 'Campaignregistry.com'? Looks like this requires a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID.? Anyone already gone through this?? Talking to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI requirement to be registered by Dec 15.
The whole process seems confusing.? VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. $10,000/violation keeps being referenced.
Would each one of my customers be considered a separate campaign at $10/month? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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RingCentral started sending messages like this today. I suppose others may follow? Hello, We are writing to let you know about an upcoming change to SMS that?s affecting the entire industry. Recently, mobile carriers have begun treating all SMS from businesses large and small as commercial messaging. The mobile industry has added new registration requirements, and additional fees for sending and receiving SMS. They?ve also imposed new policies that we have summarized here <https://info.ringcentral.com/MDc1LURUQi03MTUAAAGCng7lt0vfsF5No4RhXgM826_pR9J...> . We have been working with the carriers to address these changes, increase the deliverability of your SMS messages, and help protect you from potential carrier fines. To accomplish this, we have reinvisioned domestic SMS, and are excited to launch our RingCentral Enhanced Business SMS solution with new pricing and a number of monthly free SMS messages starting March 17, 2022.* *With our new pricing most customers, including yourself, are expected to be covered by these monthly allowances.* In January, your company used an estimated 1746 messages of the 8000 included with your plan. Once this allowance is exhausted, you will be charged a transparent, flat rate of $0.0085 per SMS message sent or received, and $0.013 per MMS sent or received. For example, if you send 100 SMS messages above your allowance, you would only pay 85?. To help save your company more money, we also offer bulk prepaid SMS at a discounted rate if you need to send more. You can learn more about these changes and how allowances are calculated by scheduling a meeting with your sales representative, or reading more here <https://info.ringcentral.com/MDc1LURUQi03MTUAAAGCng7ltiq_e8c9C-iH9ro86naWms7...> . *Customers may also be required to register individual brand and/or campaign information with The Campaign Registry (the mobile carriers? preferred hub for managing SMS campaigns), which may result in additional fees. *Brandon Svec* On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 12:37 PM Nate Burke <nate at blastcomm.com> wrote:
Sorry if this was already discussed and I missed it. I saw a notice on our Voip Innovations account today that any business DID's that send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be registered with 'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already gone through this? Talking to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI requirement to be registered by Dec 15.
The whole process seems confusing. VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. $10,000/violation keeps being referenced.
Would each one of my customers be considered a separate campaign at $10/month? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Yep. Their "Business SMS limitations and restrictions" is really just a high-level copy of the CTIA Best Practices for P2P. Anything outside of that is A2P, and it is clear that RingCentral is offloading any required brand registration to their end users and directing them to The Campaign Registry (TSC) for which, as the OP pointed out, $200 to get an account, and $10 per month per DID for a "campaign." The goal here is to make sending business-related SMS as difficult and as costly as possible because carriers spent too much time and money policing bad actors who abused the openness of SMS. You wanna send an SMS from outside the US Wireless Carrier Cabal (e.g. T-Mobile, Verizon, AT&T, US Mobile, US Cellular and the smaller wireless carriers that own their own infrastructure)? You gotta pay. This kills SMS forwarding. This kills the ability for a small business, like a laudromat, sending "Your laundry is done" messages to their customers via SMS, because now instead of being included in their plan, because they are sending as a business, even only 50-100 per month, their send/receive ratio is bad, and thus blocked by A2P CTIA Rules. Now the laudromat must front $200 for the privilege PLUS spend $10/month PLUS like $0.02 or more per SMS. 100 SMS messages costs them $12/month ignoring the initial "brand registration" malarkey. What the email says below, as I read it Brandon, is "hey we're including SMS in your plan" and then adding "you're responsible for registering with TSC but we aren't going to mention THOSE costs to you or what happens if you don't register." I hate it all. It feels smarmy, like a lazy way to put a money barrier up. If registration with TCR was free, and the cost per month per DID was related to your sending volume, I would feel better about it. As it stands now, it's stupid, and hurts the small businesses and the big businesses will keep doing whatever they want because it doesn't hurt them at all, and the spammers/scammers will likely continue to do it and just find holes in TCRs process or find carriers that aren't doing the right thing and exploit them. Beckman On Tue, 15 Feb 2022, Brandon Svec via VoiceOps wrote:
RingCentral started sending messages like this today. I suppose others may follow?
Hello,
We are writing to let you know about an upcoming change to SMS that?s affecting the entire industry. Recently, mobile carriers have begun treating all SMS from businesses large and small as commercial messaging. The mobile industry has added new registration requirements, and additional fees for sending and receiving SMS. They?ve also imposed new policies that we have summarized here <https://info.ringcentral.com/MDc1LURUQi03MTUAAAGCng7lt0vfsF5No4RhXgM826_pR9J...> .
We have been working with the carriers to address these changes, increase the deliverability of your SMS messages, and help protect you from potential carrier fines.
To accomplish this, we have reinvisioned domestic SMS, and are excited to launch our RingCentral Enhanced Business SMS solution with new pricing and a number of monthly free SMS messages starting March 17, 2022.* *With our new pricing most customers, including yourself, are expected to be covered by these monthly allowances.*
In January, your company used an estimated 1746 messages of the 8000 included with your plan. Once this allowance is exhausted, you will be charged a transparent, flat rate of $0.0085 per SMS message sent or received, and $0.013 per MMS sent or received. For example, if you send 100 SMS messages above your allowance, you would only pay 85?.
To help save your company more money, we also offer bulk prepaid SMS at a discounted rate if you need to send more.
You can learn more about these changes and how allowances are calculated by scheduling a meeting with your sales representative, or reading more here <https://info.ringcentral.com/MDc1LURUQi03MTUAAAGCng7ltiq_e8c9C-iH9ro86naWms7...> .
*Customers may also be required to register individual brand and/or campaign information with The Campaign Registry (the mobile carriers? preferred hub for managing SMS campaigns), which may result in additional fees. *Brandon Svec*
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 12:37 PM Nate Burke <nate at blastcomm.com> wrote:
Sorry if this was already discussed and I missed it. I saw a notice on our Voip Innovations account today that any business DID's that send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be registered with 'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already gone through this? Talking to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI requirement to be registered by Dec 15.
The whole process seems confusing. VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. $10,000/violation keeps being referenced.
Would each one of my customers be considered a separate campaign at $10/month? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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Inteliquent, VoIP Innovations, etc. have been demanding brand/campaign registration for at least a full month now for any messages to process. The reseller only needs to have a account with TCR.? Then you can register on your clients behalf their brands and campaigns.? IQNT and VI are charging $50 per brand if you want to go through them. Not all campaigns are $10.? Some can be a lot more... like for political campaigns.? Low-volume mixed, which all of my customers fall into, costs $4 per month if you are purchasing from TCR direct.? IQNT does all of our SMS/MMS... for both toll (now called 10DLC) and toll free numbers.? Most also allow third party registration... so you can have numbers with other carriers and just do SMS/MMS with them for instance. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone:?+1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766
Peter Beckman <mailto:beckman at angryox.com> February 15, 2022 at 21:23 Yep.
Their "Business SMS limitations and restrictions" is really just a high-level copy of the CTIA Best Practices for P2P.
Anything outside of that is A2P, and it is clear that RingCentral is offloading any required brand registration to their end users and directing them to The Campaign Registry (TSC) for which, as the OP pointed out, $200 to get an account, and $10 per month per DID for a "campaign."
The goal here is to make sending business-related SMS as difficult and as costly as possible because carriers spent too much time and money policing bad actors who abused the openness of SMS.
You wanna send an SMS from outside the US Wireless Carrier Cabal (e.g. T-Mobile, Verizon, AT&T, US Mobile, US Cellular and the smaller wireless carriers that own their own infrastructure)? You gotta pay.
This kills SMS forwarding. This kills the ability for a small business, like a laudromat, sending "Your laundry is done" messages to their customers via SMS, because now instead of being included in their plan, because they are sending as a business, even only 50-100 per month, their send/receive ratio is bad, and thus blocked by A2P CTIA Rules.
Now the laudromat must front $200 for the privilege PLUS spend $10/month PLUS like $0.02 or more per SMS. 100 SMS messages costs them $12/month ignoring the initial "brand registration" malarkey.
What the email says below, as I read it Brandon, is "hey we're including SMS in your plan" and then adding "you're responsible for registering with TSC but we aren't going to mention THOSE costs to you or what happens if you don't register."
I hate it all. It feels smarmy, like a lazy way to put a money barrier up.
If registration with TCR was free, and the cost per month per DID was related to your sending volume, I would feel better about it.
As it stands now, it's stupid, and hurts the small businesses and the big businesses will keep doing whatever they want because it doesn't hurt them at all, and the spammers/scammers will likely continue to do it and just find holes in TCRs process or find carriers that aren't doing the right thing and exploit them.
Beckman
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_______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops Brandon Svec via VoiceOps <mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org> February 15, 2022 at 16:21 RingCentral started sending messages like this today.? I suppose others may follow?
? Hello,?
We are writing to let you know about an upcoming change to SMS that?s affecting the entire industry. Recently, mobile carriers have begun treating all SMS from businesses large and small as commercial messaging. The mobile industry has added new registration requirements, and additional fees for sending and receiving SMS. They?ve also imposed new policies that we have summarized?here <https://info.ringcentral.com/MDc1LURUQi03MTUAAAGCng7lt0vfsF5No4RhXgM826_pR9JaNgxfWelHAco-V1MrXVbXWVKPTvTyMrn4Tlk3poqlP30=>.?
We have been working with the carriers to address these changes, increase the deliverability of your SMS messages, and help protect you from potential carrier fines.?
To accomplish this, we have reinvisioned domestic SMS, and are excited to launch our RingCentral Enhanced Business SMS solution with new pricing and a number of monthly free SMS messages starting March 17, 2022.*?*With our new pricing most customers, including yourself, are expected to be covered by these monthly allowances.*?
In January, your company used an estimated 1746 messages of the 8000 included with your plan. Once this allowance is exhausted, you will be charged a transparent, flat rate of $0.0085 per SMS message sent or received, and $0.013 per MMS sent or received. For example, if you send 100 SMS messages above your allowance, you would only pay 85?.?
To help save your company more money, we also offer bulk prepaid SMS at a discounted rate if you need to send more.
You can learn more about these changes and how allowances are calculated by scheduling a meeting with your sales representative, or?reading more here <https://info.ringcentral.com/MDc1LURUQi03MTUAAAGCng7ltiq_e8c9C-iH9ro86naWms7maamahCdRf0TbZdf47Fu_9s1oXxqVweVEnWsObxMOII8=>.?
*Customers may also be required to register individual brand and/or campaign information with The Campaign Registry (the mobile carriers? preferred hub for managing SMS campaigns), which may result in additional fees.
*Brandon Svec*?
_______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops Nate Burke <mailto:nate at blastcomm.com> November 15, 2021 at 13:24 Sorry if this was already discussed and I missed it.? I saw a notice on our Voip Innovations account today that any business DID's that send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be registered with 'Campaignregistry.com'? Looks like this requires a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID.? Anyone already gone through this?? Talking to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI requirement to be registered by Dec 15.
The whole process seems confusing.? VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. $10,000/violation keeps being referenced.
Would each one of my customers be considered a separate campaign at $10/month? _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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