Carriers / TCR requiring NetNumber ID for SMS, even P2P
I'm hearing from one of my carriers that in order to continue sending P2P (NOT A2P) SMS from our DIDs, my $dayjob needs to purchase and maintain a NetNumber ID to use as the SPID for SMS. I'm also hearing that ALT-SPIDs are being discontinued. Does anyone else know about this change, who is driving it, and why? Anyone want to share costs involved in getting and maintaining an NNID for this purpose? This feels more like pay-to-play than a solution to reduce unwanted SMS. Beckman --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beckman at angryox.com https://www.angryox.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I was told even if I have a random number to receive 2FA or a sms from anyone or anything, I need to register as a campaign or something. This was definitely designed to fatten some pockets.
On May 4, 2022, at 2:09 PM, Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> wrote:
?I'm hearing from one of my carriers that in order to continue sending P2P (NOT A2P) SMS from our DIDs, my $dayjob needs to purchase and maintain a NetNumber ID to use as the SPID for SMS.
I'm also hearing that ALT-SPIDs are being discontinued.
Does anyone else know about this change, who is driving it, and why? Anyone want to share costs involved in getting and maintaining an NNID for this purpose?
This feels more like pay-to-play than a solution to reduce unwanted SMS.
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www.campaignregistry.com<http://www.campaignregistry.com> The process is quick,painless and a campaign costs a small one time fee ($4 I think) From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:09 PM To: VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: [VoiceOps] Carriers / TCR requiring NetNumber ID for SMS, even P2P CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. I'm hearing from one of my carriers that in order to continue sending P2P (NOT A2P) SMS from our DIDs, my $dayjob needs to purchase and maintain a NetNumber ID to use as the SPID for SMS. I'm also hearing that ALT-SPIDs are being discontinued. Does anyone else know about this change, who is driving it, and why? Anyone want to share costs involved in getting and maintaining an NNID for this purpose? This feels more like pay-to-play than a solution to reduce unwanted SMS. Beckman --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beckman at angryox.com https://www.angryox.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Your statement is misleading, borderline wrong. It's $200 just to sign up with TCR. Then it is a variable fee based on how many DIDs you are attempting to register. Low Volume: $2 per MONTH per DID (non-time-sensitive) Undisclosed how much it costs if NOT Low Volume. Then carriers can add on their own per-DID and per-campaign fees. And this is ONLY for 10DLC A2P SMS -- BUSINESS or BULK SMS, not P2P, person-to-person SMS. Look at the pricing Commio is putting out regarding T-Mobile: https://www.thinq.com/blog/t-mobile-10dlc-text-messaging-fee-changes/ - $50 Campaign Service Activation Fee - $50 Campaign Migration Fee - $2,000 one-time NNID Registration - $10,000 pass-through fee if T-Mobile doesn't like your SMS - $1,000 pass-through fee if they think you're evading the rules Bandwidth increasing per-SMS fees too: https://support.bandwidth.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500002422242-10DLC-Overview Can you imagine your cost basis as a small carrier, to increase your direct costs of a DID by 10x or more, just to allow your customer to send and receive SMS messages? Please note: I am discussing P2P -- PERSON-TO-PERSON -- NOT A2P, BUSINESS-TO-PERSON See the CTIA Best Practices for the difference between the content of the two. Beckman On Wed, 4 May 2022, Matthew Crocker wrote:
www.campaignregistry.com<http://www.campaignregistry.com> The process is quick,painless and a campaign costs a small one time fee ($4 I think)
From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:09 PM To: VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: [VoiceOps] Carriers / TCR requiring NetNumber ID for SMS, even P2P CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
I'm hearing from one of my carriers that in order to continue sending P2P (NOT A2P) SMS from our DIDs, my $dayjob needs to purchase and maintain a NetNumber ID to use as the SPID for SMS.
I'm also hearing that ALT-SPIDs are being discontinued.
Does anyone else know about this change, who is driving it, and why? Anyone want to share costs involved in getting and maintaining an NNID for this purpose?
This feels more like pay-to-play than a solution to reduce unwanted SMS.
Beckman --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beckman at angryox.com https://www.angryox.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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Well, this is all new to me so I apologize for misleading or incorrect information. I?m going through the CSP process now and it has been pretty quick/easy. I?ve registered one brand ($4) and one campaign ($2/month). I?m using Inteliquent as my interconnect, they charge fees per SMS/MMS. I don?t believe I will be receiving invoices from individual carriers (ala CABS) From: Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:08 PM To: Matthew Crocker <matthew at corp.crocker.com> Cc: VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Carriers / TCR requiring NetNumber ID for SMS, even P2P CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Your statement is misleading, borderline wrong. It's $200 just to sign up with TCR. Then it is a variable fee based on how many DIDs you are attempting to register. Low Volume: $2 per MONTH per DID (non-time-sensitive) Undisclosed how much it costs if NOT Low Volume. Then carriers can add on their own per-DID and per-campaign fees. And this is ONLY for 10DLC A2P SMS -- BUSINESS or BULK SMS, not P2P, person-to-person SMS. Look at the pricing Commio is putting out regarding T-Mobile: https://www.thinq.com/blog/t-mobile-10dlc-text-messaging-fee-changes/ - $50 Campaign Service Activation Fee - $50 Campaign Migration Fee - $2,000 one-time NNID Registration - $10,000 pass-through fee if T-Mobile doesn't like your SMS - $1,000 pass-through fee if they think you're evading the rules Bandwidth increasing per-SMS fees too: https://support.bandwidth.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500002422242-10DLC-Overview Can you imagine your cost basis as a small carrier, to increase your direct costs of a DID by 10x or more, just to allow your customer to send and receive SMS messages? Please note: I am discussing P2P -- PERSON-TO-PERSON -- NOT A2P, BUSINESS-TO-PERSON See the CTIA Best Practices for the difference between the content of the two. Beckman On Wed, 4 May 2022, Matthew Crocker wrote:
www.campaignregistry.com<http://www.campaignregistry.com><http://www.campaignregistry.com%3chttp:/www.campaignregistry.com%3e> The process is quick,painless and a campaign costs a small one time fee ($4 I think)
From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:09 PM To: VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: [VoiceOps] Carriers / TCR requiring NetNumber ID for SMS, even P2P CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
I'm hearing from one of my carriers that in order to continue sending P2P (NOT A2P) SMS from our DIDs, my $dayjob needs to purchase and maintain a NetNumber ID to use as the SPID for SMS.
I'm also hearing that ALT-SPIDs are being discontinued.
Does anyone else know about this change, who is driving it, and why? Anyone want to share costs involved in getting and maintaining an NNID for this purpose?
This feels more like pay-to-play than a solution to reduce unwanted SMS.
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My understanding is the campaign is quarterly. $2 / 3 for up to 49 numbers. Total cost thus for me: One-time cost: - $4 brand registration - $50 T-Mobile registration Quarterly cost: - $2 every 3 months for 49 numbers Aryn Nakaoka anakaoka at trinet-hi.com Direct: 808.356.2901 518 Holokahana Lane Honolulu, Hi 96817 AlohaTone Mobile: https://youtu.be/PdUyuf0hTYY A Better Solution https://www.trinet-hi.com/abettersolution.pdf <https://www.trinet-hi.com/abettersolution.pdf> Aloha Tone PBX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96YWPY9wCeU CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments may be privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. Any disclosure, distribution or copying of this email or any attachments by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting this email and any attachments from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 1:17 PM Matthew Crocker <matthew at corp.crocker.com> wrote:
Well, this is all new to me so I apologize for misleading or incorrect information. I?m going through the CSP process now and it has been pretty quick/easy. I?ve registered one brand ($4) and one campaign ($2/month).
I?m using Inteliquent as my interconnect, they charge fees per SMS/MMS. I don?t believe I will be receiving invoices from individual carriers (ala CABS)
*From: *Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> *Date: *Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:08 PM *To: *Matthew Crocker <matthew at corp.crocker.com> *Cc: *VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> *Subject: *Re: [VoiceOps] Carriers / TCR requiring NetNumber ID for SMS, even P2P
CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
Your statement is misleading, borderline wrong.
It's $200 just to sign up with TCR.
Then it is a variable fee based on how many DIDs you are attempting to register.
Low Volume: $2 per MONTH per DID (non-time-sensitive)
Undisclosed how much it costs if NOT Low Volume.
Then carriers can add on their own per-DID and per-campaign fees.
And this is ONLY for 10DLC A2P SMS -- BUSINESS or BULK SMS, not P2P, person-to-person SMS.
Look at the pricing Commio is putting out regarding T-Mobile: https://www.thinq.com/blog/t-mobile-10dlc-text-messaging-fee-changes/
- $50 Campaign Service Activation Fee - $50 Campaign Migration Fee - $2,000 one-time NNID Registration - $10,000 pass-through fee if T-Mobile doesn't like your SMS - $1,000 pass-through fee if they think you're evading the rules
Bandwidth increasing per-SMS fees too:
https://support.bandwidth.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500002422242-10DLC-Overview
Can you imagine your cost basis as a small carrier, to increase your direct costs of a DID by 10x or more, just to allow your customer to send and receive SMS messages?
Please note: I am discussing P2P -- PERSON-TO-PERSON -- NOT A2P, BUSINESS-TO-PERSON
See the CTIA Best Practices for the difference between the content of the two.
Beckman
On Wed, 4 May 2022, Matthew Crocker wrote:
www.campaignregistry.com<http://www.campaignregistry.com>
<http://www.campaignregistry.com%3chttp:/www.campaignregistry.com%3e> The process is quick,painless and a campaign costs a small one time fee ($4 I think)
From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Peter
Beckman <beckman at angryox.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:09 PM To: VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: [VoiceOps] Carriers / TCR requiring NetNumber ID for SMS, even P2P CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
I'm hearing from one of my carriers that in order to continue sending P2P (NOT A2P) SMS from our DIDs, my $dayjob needs to purchase and maintain a NetNumber ID to use as the SPID for SMS.
I'm also hearing that ALT-SPIDs are being discontinued.
Does anyone else know about this change, who is driving it, and why? Anyone want to share costs involved in getting and maintaining an NNID for this purpose?
This feels more like pay-to-play than a solution to reduce unwanted SMS.
Beckman
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Are you registered directly with TCR, or are you filing through your own carrier? Are all of your A2P SMS for your company directly, or are you registering for thousands of your Voice/SMS customers as a reseller? Beckman On Wed, 4 May 2022, Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901 wrote:
My understanding is the campaign is quarterly. $2 / 3 for up to 49 numbers.
Total cost thus for me: One-time cost: - $4 brand registration - $50 T-Mobile registration
Quarterly cost: - $2 every 3 months for 49 numbers
Aryn Nakaoka anakaoka at trinet-hi.com Direct: 808.356.2901 518 Holokahana Lane Honolulu, Hi 96817
AlohaTone Mobile: https://youtu.be/PdUyuf0hTYY
A Better Solution https://www.trinet-hi.com/abettersolution.pdf <https://www.trinet-hi.com/abettersolution.pdf> Aloha Tone PBX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96YWPY9wCeU
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On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 1:17 PM Matthew Crocker <matthew at corp.crocker.com> wrote:
Well, this is all new to me so I apologize for misleading or incorrect information. I?m going through the CSP process now and it has been pretty quick/easy. I?ve registered one brand ($4) and one campaign ($2/month).
I?m using Inteliquent as my interconnect, they charge fees per SMS/MMS. I don?t believe I will be receiving invoices from individual carriers (ala CABS)
*From: *Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> *Date: *Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:08 PM *To: *Matthew Crocker <matthew at corp.crocker.com> *Cc: *VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> *Subject: *Re: [VoiceOps] Carriers / TCR requiring NetNumber ID for SMS, even P2P
CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
Your statement is misleading, borderline wrong.
It's $200 just to sign up with TCR.
Then it is a variable fee based on how many DIDs you are attempting to register.
Low Volume: $2 per MONTH per DID (non-time-sensitive)
Undisclosed how much it costs if NOT Low Volume.
Then carriers can add on their own per-DID and per-campaign fees.
And this is ONLY for 10DLC A2P SMS -- BUSINESS or BULK SMS, not P2P, person-to-person SMS.
Look at the pricing Commio is putting out regarding T-Mobile: https://www.thinq.com/blog/t-mobile-10dlc-text-messaging-fee-changes/
- $50 Campaign Service Activation Fee - $50 Campaign Migration Fee - $2,000 one-time NNID Registration - $10,000 pass-through fee if T-Mobile doesn't like your SMS - $1,000 pass-through fee if they think you're evading the rules
Bandwidth increasing per-SMS fees too:
https://support.bandwidth.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500002422242-10DLC-Overview
Can you imagine your cost basis as a small carrier, to increase your direct costs of a DID by 10x or more, just to allow your customer to send and receive SMS messages?
Please note: I am discussing P2P -- PERSON-TO-PERSON -- NOT A2P, BUSINESS-TO-PERSON
See the CTIA Best Practices for the difference between the content of the two.
Beckman
On Wed, 4 May 2022, Matthew Crocker wrote:
www.campaignregistry.com<http://www.campaignregistry.com>
<http://www.campaignregistry.com%3chttp:/www.campaignregistry.com%3e> The process is quick,painless and a campaign costs a small one time fee ($4 I think)
From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Peter
Beckman <beckman at angryox.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:09 PM To: VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: [VoiceOps] Carriers / TCR requiring NetNumber ID for SMS, even P2P CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
I'm hearing from one of my carriers that in order to continue sending P2P (NOT A2P) SMS from our DIDs, my $dayjob needs to purchase and maintain a NetNumber ID to use as the SPID for SMS.
I'm also hearing that ALT-SPIDs are being discontinued.
Does anyone else know about this change, who is driving it, and why? Anyone want to share costs involved in getting and maintaining an NNID for this purpose?
This feels more like pay-to-play than a solution to reduce unwanted SMS.
Beckman
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Carriers are having to register with The Campaign Registry directly, rather than through your carrier's account. Above a certain level, e.g. a handful of DIDs, the carrier may push you to register directly with TCR, and then you pay a LOT more money. As this is the VoiceOps (Voice Operations) group, my question is directed at carriers who are managing hundreds to hundreds of thousands of DIDs on behalf of their customers. Beckman On Wed, 4 May 2022, Matthew Crocker wrote:
Well, this is all new to me so I apologize for misleading or incorrect information. I?m going through the CSP process now and it has been pretty quick/easy. I?ve registered one brand ($4) and one campaign ($2/month).
I?m using Inteliquent as my interconnect, they charge fees per SMS/MMS. I don?t believe I will be receiving invoices from individual carriers (ala CABS)
From: Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:08 PM To: Matthew Crocker <matthew at corp.crocker.com> Cc: VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Carriers / TCR requiring NetNumber ID for SMS, even P2P CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
Your statement is misleading, borderline wrong.
It's $200 just to sign up with TCR.
Then it is a variable fee based on how many DIDs you are attempting to register.
Low Volume: $2 per MONTH per DID (non-time-sensitive)
Undisclosed how much it costs if NOT Low Volume.
Then carriers can add on their own per-DID and per-campaign fees.
And this is ONLY for 10DLC A2P SMS -- BUSINESS or BULK SMS, not P2P, person-to-person SMS.
Look at the pricing Commio is putting out regarding T-Mobile: https://www.thinq.com/blog/t-mobile-10dlc-text-messaging-fee-changes/
- $50 Campaign Service Activation Fee - $50 Campaign Migration Fee - $2,000 one-time NNID Registration - $10,000 pass-through fee if T-Mobile doesn't like your SMS - $1,000 pass-through fee if they think you're evading the rules
Bandwidth increasing per-SMS fees too: https://support.bandwidth.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500002422242-10DLC-Overview
Can you imagine your cost basis as a small carrier, to increase your direct costs of a DID by 10x or more, just to allow your customer to send and receive SMS messages?
Please note: I am discussing P2P -- PERSON-TO-PERSON -- NOT A2P, BUSINESS-TO-PERSON
See the CTIA Best Practices for the difference between the content of the two.
Beckman
On Wed, 4 May 2022, Matthew Crocker wrote:
www.campaignregistry.com<http://www.campaignregistry.com><http://www.campaignregistry.com%3chttp:/www.campaignregistry.com%3e> The process is quick,painless and a campaign costs a small one time fee ($4 I think)
From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:09 PM To: VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: [VoiceOps] Carriers / TCR requiring NetNumber ID for SMS, even P2P CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
I'm hearing from one of my carriers that in order to continue sending P2P (NOT A2P) SMS from our DIDs, my $dayjob needs to purchase and maintain a NetNumber ID to use as the SPID for SMS.
I'm also hearing that ALT-SPIDs are being discontinued.
Does anyone else know about this change, who is driving it, and why? Anyone want to share costs involved in getting and maintaining an NNID for this purpose?
This feels more like pay-to-play than a solution to reduce unwanted SMS.
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