I've been asked to start researching our next soft switch that will replace an asterisk based VoIP platform. Currently were reselling service in other markets that are outside of our home market. So I am starting my research on Meta, Sonus, Broadsoft, and some competing platforms. What I can't find is what is the price range on anything without talking to sales and even at that it's usually a long drawn out process at least that's my experience with other gear. I would really like to find out the price range on some of these switches. I am not looking for specific pricing just kind of a ball park. Right now I am still in the idea stage. We just started the process of negotiating interconnection agreements so I don't expect us to get real serious on a switch selection until early 2010. In the meantime I want to learn as much as I can about possible gear but I don't want to spend time on something I don't think will be close to the budget. Richey
You want actual $$$ figures? That flies in the face of all market segmentation practices in enterprise pricing. Not going to happen. The "process" is for the sales representative to talk to you, feel you out, get a sense of the purchasing power and budgetary climate of your company ("what you're worth"), and then generate a "custom" quote "just for you!" Richey wrote:
I?ve been asked to start researching our next soft switch that will replace an asterisk based VoIP platform. Currently were reselling service in other markets that are outside of our home market. So I am starting my research on Meta, Sonus, Broadsoft, and some competing platforms. What I can?t find is what is the price range on anything without talking to sales and even at that it?s usually a long drawn out process at least that?s my experience with other gear. I would really like to find out the price range on some of these switches. I am not looking for specific pricing just kind of a ball park.
Right now I am still in the idea stage. We just started the process of negotiating interconnection agreements so I don?t expect us to get real serious on a switch selection until early 2010. In the meantime I want to learn as much as I can about possible gear but I don?t want to spend time on something I don?t think will be close to the budget.
Richey
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No, I am looking for something like Switch A could cost over $150k and Switch B could cost over $450k. Richey -----Original Message----- From: Alex Balashov [mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:48 PM To: Richey Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Switch Pricing You want actual $$$ figures? That flies in the face of all market segmentation practices in enterprise pricing. Not going to happen. The "process" is for the sales representative to talk to you, feel you out, get a sense of the purchasing power and budgetary climate of your company ("what you're worth"), and then generate a "custom" quote "just for you!" Richey wrote:
I've been asked to start researching our next soft switch that will replace an asterisk based VoIP platform. Currently were reselling service in other markets that are outside of our home market. So I am starting my research on Meta, Sonus, Broadsoft, and some competing platforms. What I can't find is what is the price range on anything without talking to sales and even at that it's usually a long drawn out process at least that's my experience with other gear. I would really like to find out the price range on some of these switches. I am not looking for specific pricing just kind of a ball park.
Right now I am still in the idea stage. We just started the process of negotiating interconnection agreements so I don't expect us to get real serious on a switch selection until early 2010. In the meantime I want to learn as much as I can about possible gear but I don't want to spend time on something I don't think will be close to the budget.
Richey
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We have found it depends on the feature sets you want and mainly on the number of users you want for the feature sets. These costs typically are as expensive if not more than the switch itself. In most softswitches you are talking 200 to 250k(Meta, Sonus, Nortel) to start for a moderate config and set of spares. In most of these purchases there is always some flexibility depending on your circumstance. kent Richey wrote:
No, I am looking for something like Switch A could cost over $150k and Switch B could cost over $450k.
Richey
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Balashov [mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:48 PM To: Richey Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Switch Pricing
You want actual $$$ figures? That flies in the face of all market segmentation practices in enterprise pricing. Not going to happen.
The "process" is for the sales representative to talk to you, feel you out, get a sense of the purchasing power and budgetary climate of your company ("what you're worth"), and then generate a "custom" quote "just for you!"
Richey wrote:
I've been asked to start researching our next soft switch that will replace an asterisk based VoIP platform. Currently were reselling service in other markets that are outside of our home market. So I am starting my research on Meta, Sonus, Broadsoft, and some competing platforms. What I can't find is what is the price range on anything without talking to sales and even at that it's usually a long drawn out process at least that's my experience with other gear. I would really like to find out the price range on some of these switches. I am not looking for specific pricing just kind of a ball park.
Right now I am still in the idea stage. We just started the process of negotiating interconnection agreements so I don't expect us to get real serious on a switch selection until early 2010. In the meantime I want to learn as much as I can about possible gear but I don't want to spend time on something I don't think will be close to the budget.
Richey
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Thanks, That's the type of response I was looking for. That tells me enough to know to keep on with what I am doing. Richey -----Original Message----- From: Kent Claussen [mailto:kent at claussen.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:36 AM To: Richey Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Switch Pricing We have found it depends on the feature sets you want and mainly on the number of users you want for the feature sets. These costs typically are as expensive if not more than the switch itself. In most softswitches you are talking 200 to 250k(Meta, Sonus, Nortel) to start for a moderate config and set of spares. In most of these purchases there is always some flexibility depending on your circumstance. kent Richey wrote:
No, I am looking for something like Switch A could cost over $150k and Switch B could cost over $450k.
Richey
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Balashov [mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:48 PM To: Richey Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Switch Pricing
You want actual $$$ figures? That flies in the face of all market segmentation practices in enterprise pricing. Not going to happen.
The "process" is for the sales representative to talk to you, feel you out, get a sense of the purchasing power and budgetary climate of your company ("what you're worth"), and then generate a "custom" quote "just for you!"
Richey wrote:
I've been asked to start researching our next soft switch that will replace an asterisk based VoIP platform. Currently were reselling service in other markets that are outside of our home market. So I am starting my research on Meta, Sonus, Broadsoft, and some competing platforms. What I can't find is what is the price range on anything without talking to sales and even at that it's usually a long drawn out process at least that's my experience with other gear. I would really like to find out the price range on some of these switches. I am not looking for specific pricing just kind of a ball park.
Right now I am still in the idea stage. We just started the process of negotiating interconnection agreements so I don't expect us to get real serious on a switch selection until early 2010. In the meantime I want to learn as much as I can about possible gear but I don't want to spend time on something I don't think will be close to the budget.
Richey
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On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Richey wrote:
Thanks, That's the type of response I was looking for. That tells me enough to know to keep on with what I am doing.
You also may want to talk with Taqua, they resell BroadSoft and can sell smaller configurations then BroadSoft likes to mess with directly.
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I don't know whether I should laugh or cry at your synopsis. Alex and others are right though. The only way you'll find even a ball park price is to do the sales mating dance. I don't know how many times I've had to talk to sales rep for 4+ weeks just to get a rough idea at what we *MIGHT* spend. In all honesty, it is usually worth it as they are usually able to take your requirements (A) your budget (B) and somehow find a product in their lineup that combines the two into (C). Then again, since you are new to the hardware; talking to them might be beneficial to you as you'll quickly learn what you do and do not need. Some times a sales pitch isn't such a bad thing. Happy dancing. On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:48:02 -0400, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
You want actual $$$ figures? That flies in the face of all market segmentation practices in enterprise pricing. Not going to happen.
The "process" is for the sales representative to talk to you, feel you out, get a sense of the purchasing power and budgetary climate of your company ("what you're worth"), and then generate a "custom" quote "just for you!"
Richey wrote:
I?ve been asked to start researching our next soft switch that will replace an asterisk based VoIP platform. Currently were reselling service in other markets that are outside of our home market. So I am
starting my research on Meta, Sonus, Broadsoft, and some competing platforms. What I can?t find is what is the price range on anything without talking to sales and even at that it?s usually a long drawn out process at least that?s my experience with other gear. I would really like to find out the price range on some of these switches. I am not looking for specific pricing just kind of a ball park.
Right now I am still in the idea stage. We just started the process of
negotiating interconnection agreements so I don?t expect us to get real serious on a switch selection until early 2010. In the meantime I want
to learn as much as I can about possible gear but I don?t want to spend time on something I don?t think will be close to the budget.
Richey
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I am hoping it's not as bad as some vendors. It seems like once you might have a small tad bit of interest the flood gates open. Times are tough and it seems like I am bombarded with more sales related calls than ever. In the last year or so I've tried to weed things out by asking questions like this so I don't spend half of my day talking to sales guys. Richey -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Lehmann Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:37 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org; abalashov at evaristesys.com Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Switch Pricing I don't know whether I should laugh or cry at your synopsis. Alex and others are right though. The only way you'll find even a ball park price is to do the sales mating dance. I don't know how many times I've had to talk to sales rep for 4+ weeks just to get a rough idea at what we *MIGHT* spend. In all honesty, it is usually worth it as they are usually able to take your requirements (A) your budget (B) and somehow find a product in their lineup that combines the two into (C). Then again, since you are new to the hardware; talking to them might be beneficial to you as you'll quickly learn what you do and do not need. Some times a sales pitch isn't such a bad thing. Happy dancing. On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:48:02 -0400, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
You want actual $$$ figures? That flies in the face of all market segmentation practices in enterprise pricing. Not going to happen.
The "process" is for the sales representative to talk to you, feel you out, get a sense of the purchasing power and budgetary climate of your company ("what you're worth"), and then generate a "custom" quote "just for you!"
Richey wrote:
I?ve been asked to start researching our next soft switch that will replace an asterisk based VoIP platform. Currently were reselling service in other markets that are outside of our home market. So I am
starting my research on Meta, Sonus, Broadsoft, and some competing platforms. What I can?t find is what is the price range on anything without talking to sales and even at that it?s usually a long drawn out process at least that?s my experience with other gear. I would really like to find out the price range on some of these switches. I am not looking for specific pricing just kind of a ball park.
Right now I am still in the idea stage. We just started the process of
negotiating interconnection agreements so I don?t expect us to get real serious on a switch selection until early 2010. In the meantime I want
to learn as much as I can about possible gear but I don?t want to spend time on something I don?t think will be close to the budget.
Richey
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Speaking as a FORMER sales guy, and having done the mating dance with at least two of the vendors named below, there are so many options with any of the switches its really difficult to get a budgetary number that's actionable for any of them without having at least a high level discussion with a sales team. We generally get better information from a Systems Engineer if you can work that out. Also sharing the timeframe when you MIGHT invest helps, particularly if its not in their present fiscal year which is where most good sales persons are laser focused. Just my two cents. -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Richey Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:06 AM To: 'Brandon Lehmann'; voiceops at voiceops.org; abalashov at evaristesys.com Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Switch Pricing I am hoping it's not as bad as some vendors. It seems like once you might have a small tad bit of interest the flood gates open. Times are tough and it seems like I am bombarded with more sales related calls than ever. In the last year or so I've tried to weed things out by asking questions like this so I don't spend half of my day talking to sales guys. Richey -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Lehmann Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:37 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org; abalashov at evaristesys.com Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Switch Pricing I don't know whether I should laugh or cry at your synopsis. Alex and others are right though. The only way you'll find even a ball park price is to do the sales mating dance. I don't know how many times I've had to talk to sales rep for 4+ weeks just to get a rough idea at what we *MIGHT* spend. In all honesty, it is usually worth it as they are usually able to take your requirements (A) your budget (B) and somehow find a product in their lineup that combines the two into (C). Then again, since you are new to the hardware; talking to them might be beneficial to you as you'll quickly learn what you do and do not need. Some times a sales pitch isn't such a bad thing. Happy dancing. On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:48:02 -0400, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
You want actual $$$ figures? That flies in the face of all market segmentation practices in enterprise pricing. Not going to happen.
The "process" is for the sales representative to talk to you, feel you out, get a sense of the purchasing power and budgetary climate of your company ("what you're worth"), and then generate a "custom" quote "just for you!"
Richey wrote:
I've been asked to start researching our next soft switch that will replace an asterisk based VoIP platform. Currently were reselling service in other markets that are outside of our home market. So I am
starting my research on Meta, Sonus, Broadsoft, and some competing platforms. What I can't find is what is the price range on anything without talking to sales and even at that it's usually a long drawn out process at least that's my experience with other gear. I would really like to find out the price range on some of these switches. I am not looking for specific pricing just kind of a ball park.
Right now I am still in the idea stage. We just started the process of
negotiating interconnection agreements so I don't expect us to get real serious on a switch selection until early 2010. In the meantime I want
to learn as much as I can about possible gear but I don't want to spend time on something I don't think will be close to the budget.
Richey
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You will find that if you simply contact all of them and go through the quotation process that they will all come up pretty even with some fluctuation depending on your requirements. On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 21:45 -0400, Richey wrote:
I?ve been asked to start researching our next soft switch that will replace an asterisk based VoIP platform. Currently were reselling service in other markets that are outside of our home market. So I am starting my research on Meta, Sonus, Broadsoft, and some competing platforms. What I can?t find is what is the price range on anything without talking to sales and even at that it?s usually a long drawn out process at least that?s my experience with other gear. I would really like to find out the price range on some of these switches. I am not looking for specific pricing just kind of a ball park.
Right now I am still in the idea stage. We just started the process of negotiating interconnection agreements so I don?t expect us to get real serious on a switch selection until early 2010. In the meantime I want to learn as much as I can about possible gear but I don?t want to spend time on something I don?t think will be close to the budget.
Richey
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