We are in the market for a new SBC platform and have narrowed our choice down to two different products. The Sansay VSXi or the Sonus SWe. We will be running on a vmware hypervisor in several different markets. The SBC would be for SIP access with Broadworks and SIP peering with other carriers. I was wondering if anyone can share with me any of their experiences good or bad with either company on or off the list. Thanks, Jeff
I can?t speak for the Sonus. But we?ve used Sansay for years. And it was one of the best decisions we ever made. Dw On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:33 PM Jeff Anderson <ciscoplumber at gmail.com> wrote:
We are in the market for a new SBC platform and have narrowed our choice down to two different products. The Sansay VSXi or the Sonus SWe. We will be running on a vmware hypervisor in several different markets. The SBC would be for SIP access with Broadworks and SIP peering with other carriers.
I was wondering if anyone can share with me any of their experiences good or bad with either company on or off the list.
Thanks,
Jeff _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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+1 Sansay, which can also provide dedicated media servers for transcoding if you need more than simple RTP packet switching. I'm loving the Sansay SIP Message Conversation feature for of solving some signaling issues. We're also leveraging their ROME HRS routing engine for multiple LCR tables with millions of entries, and Profit Protection Application when needed to enforce margins. We're also using their API for integration with our admin and user portals. Regards, *Calvin Ellison* Voice Operations Engineer calvin.ellison at voxox.com +1 (213) 285-0555 ----------------------------------------------- *voxox.com <http://www.voxox.com/> * 5825 Oberlin Drive, Suite 5 San Diego, CA 92121 [image: Voxox] On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:42 AM, David Wessell <david at ringfree.com> wrote:
I can?t speak for the Sonus. But we?ve used Sansay for years. And it was one of the best decisions we ever made.
Dw
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:33 PM Jeff Anderson <ciscoplumber at gmail.com> wrote:
We are in the market for a new SBC platform and have narrowed our choice down to two different products. The Sansay VSXi or the Sonus SWe. We will be running on a vmware hypervisor in several different markets. The SBC would be for SIP access with Broadworks and SIP peering with other carriers.
I was wondering if anyone can share with me any of their experiences good or bad with either company on or off the list.
Thanks,
Jeff _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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+1 for Sansay. Hard for me to see justifying the added cost of Sonus in most deployments On Feb 22, 2018, at 2:06 PM, Calvin Ellison <calvin.ellison at voxox.com> wrote: +1 Sansay, which can also provide dedicated media servers for transcoding if you need more than simple RTP packet switching. I'm loving the Sansay SIP Message Conversation feature for of solving some signaling issues. We're also leveraging their ROME HRS routing engine for multiple LCR tables with millions of entries, and Profit Protection Application when needed to enforce margins. We're also using their API for integration with our admin and user portals. Regards, Calvin Ellison Voice Operations Engineer calvin.ellison at voxox.com <mailto:calvin.ellison at voxox.com> +1 (213) 285-0555 ----------------------------------------------- voxox.com <http://www.voxox.com/> 5825 Oberlin Drive, Suite 5 San Diego, CA 92121 On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:42 AM, David Wessell <david at ringfree.com <mailto:david at ringfree.com>> wrote: I can?t speak for the Sonus. But we?ve used Sansay for years. And it was one of the best decisions we ever made. Dw On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:33 PM Jeff Anderson <ciscoplumber at gmail.com <mailto:ciscoplumber at gmail.com>> wrote: We are in the market for a new SBC platform and have narrowed our choice down to two different products. The Sansay VSXi or the Sonus SWe. We will be running on a vmware hypervisor in several different markets. The SBC would be for SIP access with Broadworks and SIP peering with other carriers. I was wondering if anyone can share with me any of their experiences good or bad with either company on or off the list. Thanks, Jeff _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org <mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops <https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops> -- David Wessell Co-Owner, Ringfree Communications, Inc. <http://www.ringfree.com/> Phone: (828) 575-0030 x101 <> Email: david at ringfree.com <mailto:david at ringfree.com> Website: www.ringfree.com <http://www.ringfree.com/> 824 Locust St. Suite 200 Hendersonville, NC 28792 <https://www.twitter.com/RingfreeCom> <http://www.facebook.com/Ringfree> <http://www.linkedin.com/company/ringfree-communications-llc> How was your experience? Tell us by taking our Customer Service Survey <https://www.supersimplesurvey.com/Survey/16842/signature/>. Confidentiality Note: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org <mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops <https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops> _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
+1 Sansay We are using time ago. The SIP Message conversion its really a great function. Great support efficiently. We recommend it 100%. (We try Sonus, Metashwitch and Cataleya and the VSXi its really user friendly) ?--? *Mois?s Amiga* *Voice Operations* 2018-02-22 14:59 GMT-06:00 Dave Horton <daveh at beachdognet.com>:
+1 for Sansay. Hard for me to see justifying the added cost of Sonus in most deployments
On Feb 22, 2018, at 2:06 PM, Calvin Ellison <calvin.ellison at voxox.com> wrote:
+1 Sansay, which can also provide dedicated media servers for transcoding if you need more than simple RTP packet switching.
I'm loving the Sansay SIP Message Conversation feature for of solving some signaling issues. We're also leveraging their ROME HRS routing engine for multiple LCR tables with millions of entries, and Profit Protection Application when needed to enforce margins. We're also using their API for integration with our admin and user portals.
Regards,
*Calvin Ellison* Voice Operations Engineer calvin.ellison at voxox.com +1 (213) 285-0555
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On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:42 AM, David Wessell <david at ringfree.com> wrote:
I can?t speak for the Sonus. But we?ve used Sansay for years. And it was one of the best decisions we ever made.
Dw
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:33 PM Jeff Anderson <ciscoplumber at gmail.com> wrote:
We are in the market for a new SBC platform and have narrowed our choice down to two different products. The Sansay VSXi or the Sonus SWe. We will be running on a vmware hypervisor in several different markets. The SBC would be for SIP access with Broadworks and SIP peering with other carriers.
I was wondering if anyone can share with me any of their experiences good or bad with either company on or off the list.
Thanks,
Jeff _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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Hi Jeff, The Sonus SWe is basically just the Sonus 5xxx SBC software. It looks and functions identically. We use quite a few of the 5210 SBCs and used the SWe for some small testing prior to hardware purchase for some projects. I think it basically comes down to whether you need hardware DSPs for transcoding/ringback or not. The platform is pretty solid and easy to configure and can use a couple different versions of on-board policy database or connect to a centralized PSX policy platform for profiles and routing decisions across all your gateways. One thing to consider with Sonus is that they have now merged with Genband (as opposed to Genband completely taking them over like other platforms in our space) and are now calling themselves Ribbon. I don't know what genius came up with that name. So far our support hasn't changed other than company names/email addresses/support portal, but I've been on the Genband takeover train before with Iperia and Nortel and am iffy about the support future. On 2/22/2018 12:32 PM, Jeff Anderson wrote:
We are in the market for a new SBC platform and have narrowed our choice down to two different products. The Sansay VSXi or the Sonus SWe. We will be running on a vmware hypervisor in several different markets. The SBC would be for SIP access with Broadworks and SIP peering with other carriers.
I was wondering if anyone can share with me any of their experiences good or bad with either company on or off the list.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Jeff, Huge +1 for Sansay, not just for their product but for how they treat you as a Customer. They truly understand what it means to to support a customer and really go all out to ensure that your setup correctly. Your in a position so that you can scale effectively and have an amazing support team if you need it. Colin On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Jeff Anderson <ciscoplumber at gmail.com> wrote:
We are in the market for a new SBC platform and have narrowed our choice down to two different products. The Sansay VSXi or the Sonus SWe. We will be running on a vmware hypervisor in several different markets. The SBC would be for SIP access with Broadworks and SIP peering with other carriers.
I was wondering if anyone can share with me any of their experiences good or bad with either company on or off the list.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Jeff, +1 on the Sansay?s here too?..been a client for over 10 years and they have a great flexible licensing model allowing shared licenses across different boxes in different locations, easy to set-up and 1st class tech support too. Charles Steinman Supervisor of Engineering O 212.282.2249 M 917-608-7543 [https://convergeone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/rgt_C1_175.jpg] 1290 Avenue of the Americas, 14th Floor | New York, NY 10020 convergeone.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.convergeone.com_&d=D...> From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Colin Brown Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 4:11 PM To: Jeff Anderson <ciscoplumber at gmail.com> Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [EXT] Re: [VoiceOps] Sansay VSXi vs Sonus SWe Jeff, Huge +1 for Sansay, not just for their product but for how they treat you as a Customer. They truly understand what it means to to support a customer and really go all out to ensure that your setup correctly. Your in a position so that you can scale effectively and have an amazing support team if you need it. Colin On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Jeff Anderson <ciscoplumber at gmail.com<mailto:ciscoplumber at gmail.com>> wrote: We are in the market for a new SBC platform and have narrowed our choice down to two different products. The Sansay VSXi or the Sonus SWe. We will be running on a vmware hypervisor in several different markets. The SBC would be for SIP access with Broadworks and SIP peering with other carriers. I was wondering if anyone can share with me any of their experiences good or bad with either company on or off the list. Thanks, Jeff _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__puck.nether.net_mailman_listinfo_voiceops&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=4znBwKhukAhPnyHT278YACMQ2LHw4CRcmD4y4_iddLc&m=komow-FUECTya4NuGty2XsbDAZdx1nTlPlfe5LUuq_0&s=itduOPzTyhAhe5aER18MiU1-w39Qx_uarfRaVW0VcqE&e=>
We count a number of Sansay refugees among our customers. It's a great platform for run-of-the-mill minutes arbitrage but lacks the flexibility for some more nuanced endeavours ? is the message we hear. On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 04:11:28PM -0500, Colin Brown wrote:
Jeff,
Huge +1 for Sansay, not just for their product but for how they treat you as a Customer. They truly understand what it means to to support a customer and really go all out to ensure that your setup correctly. Your in a position so that you can scale effectively and have an amazing support team if you need it.
Colin
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Jeff Anderson <ciscoplumber at gmail.com> wrote:
We are in the market for a new SBC platform and have narrowed our choice down to two different products. The Sansay VSXi or the Sonus SWe. We will be running on a vmware hypervisor in several different markets. The SBC would be for SIP access with Broadworks and SIP peering with other carriers.
I was wondering if anyone can share with me any of their experiences good or bad with either company on or off the list.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Hey Jeff, Can you qualify your requirement more? Ive got personal experience with tons of solutions of various sizes, but some are a poor fit for certain shapes of organizations. Endpoints numbering in the thousands? tens of thousands? bigger? All registered access traffic or anything more exotic? Also who is the incumbent SBC? On 2/22/2018 10:32 AM, Jeff Anderson wrote:
We are in the market for a new SBC platform and have narrowed our choice down to two different products. The Sansay VSXi or the Sonus SWe. We will be running on a vmware hypervisor in several different markets. The SBC would be for SIP access with Broadworks and SIP peering with other carriers.
I was wondering if anyone can share with me any of their experiences good or bad with either company on or off the list.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Currently registered endpoints in the tens of thousands. It would take us a long time to grow to 100k but it?s possible as we do more and more legacy switch migrations. I am not aware of anything too exotic but also not sure what those exotic feature might be. We are an ILEC in certain markets if that tells you anything. We are spread across several states and have class 5 switches in each market. We plan to integrate with a routing engine as part of this initiative. The incumbent is Oracle one in each market. We like the idea of centralizing the signaling to certain markets and distributing the media which currently only is available with sansay. Thanks On Thursday, February 22, 2018, Ryan Delgrosso <ryandelgrosso at gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Jeff,
Can you qualify your requirement more? Ive got personal experience with tons of solutions of various sizes, but some are a poor fit for certain shapes of organizations.
Endpoints numbering in the thousands? tens of thousands? bigger?
All registered access traffic or anything more exotic?
Also who is the incumbent SBC?
On 2/22/2018 10:32 AM, Jeff Anderson wrote:
We are in the market for a new SBC platform and have narrowed our choice down to two different products. The Sansay VSXi or the Sonus SWe. We will be running on a vmware hypervisor in several different markets. The SBC would be for SIP access with Broadworks and SIP peering with other carriers.
I was wondering if anyone can share with me any of their experiences good or bad with either company on or off the list.
Thanks,
Jeff
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If youre trading out of oracle for sansay or sonus i dont suspect you're going to find any revelations. Its mostly going to be a lateral move for slightly better support and potential feature loss. The Acme is, despite oracles best efforts, still the best commercial SBC out there in this particular space. The ability to extend with HMR and Lua scripting makes it super powerful. Some considerations after having run a 100k+ user geographically distributed network: 1. Whatever you buy, go virtual. This breaks the hardware lock-in cycle and removes the typical CPU binding of SBC's. Make sure it runs on COTS (and preferably plays nice in public cloud). 2. Deploy more, small instances (5-15k reg). Use deep SRV records (4+) . 3. Strongly consider a Opensips/Kamailio approach. Your up-front investment at your scale will be approx the same, spent in intelligent manpower over the hardware solution but your recurring will likely fall to a fraction. 1. plus of this is if youre primarily UDP on the access side reasonable HA can be delivered. 2. if you are using TCP signaling, TCP failover is not as good as a Acme or Sonus (no state sync). 3. If you are using TLS the ability to automate certs with LetsEncrypt, vs not doing TCP state sync could be a wash. 4. Ive been having lots of discussions with the devs on the opensips project about solving many of these issues in large scale carrier networks, and its certainly do-able. I would suggest having a look at the Metaswitch Perimeta as well. It does the SBC thing as well as any and can run virtual. I would also suggest a demo of the FraFOS ABC SBC (an absolutely atrocious name for a very solid piece of software).? I have personally run this one and was very happy with it. It also runs cloud native nicely. The only rub here is if you need large scale transcode. FOSS isnt taken off the table but complexity goes up a little bit. The Frafos could be a solution here. FWIW if/when you do this, I know a used Acme broker that might be interested in your cast-off gear as well. Best of luck! -Ryan Delgrosso On 2/23/2018 12:49 AM, Jeff Anderson wrote:
Currently registered endpoints in the tens of thousands. It would take us a long time to grow to 100k but it?s possible as we do more and more legacy switch migrations.
I am not aware of anything too exotic but also not sure what those exotic feature might be. We are an ILEC in certain markets if that tells you anything. We are spread across several states and have class 5 switches in each market.
We plan to integrate with a routing engine as part of this initiative.
The incumbent is Oracle one in each market.
We like the idea of centralizing the signaling to certain markets and distributing the media which currently only is available with sansay.
Thanks
On Thursday, February 22, 2018, Ryan Delgrosso <ryandelgrosso at gmail.com <mailto:ryandelgrosso at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Jeff,
Can you qualify your requirement more? Ive got personal experience with tons of solutions of various sizes, but some are a poor fit for certain shapes of organizations.
Endpoints numbering in the thousands? tens of thousands? bigger?
All registered access traffic or anything more exotic?
Also who is the incumbent SBC?
On 2/22/2018 10:32 AM, Jeff Anderson wrote:
We are in the market for a new SBC platform and have narrowed our choice down to two different products. The Sansay VSXi or the Sonus SWe. We will be running on a vmware hypervisor in several different markets. The SBC would be for SIP access with Broadworks and SIP peering with other carriers.
I was wondering if anyone can share with me any of their experiences good or bad with either company on or off the list.
Thanks,
Jeff
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On 2/22/18 10:32 AM, Jeff Anderson wrote:
We are in the market for a new SBC platform and have narrowed our choice down to two different products. The Sansay VSXi or the Sonus SWe. We will be running on a vmware hypervisor in several different markets. The SBC would be for SIP access with Broadworks and SIP peering with other carriers.
I was wondering if anyone can share with me any of their experiences good or bad with either company on or off the list.
We've been using Sansay VSXi for several years in a very similar scenario, Broadworks to multiple SIP peers. I highly recommend Sansay. Great products and great customer service. Not affiliated with them other than as a happy customer. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Advanced Communications - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV
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