
Does anyone other than ShareTracker have data on market share? I saw this page when looking for something else. https://sharetracker.com/bandwidth-inteliquent-level3-and-peerless-tops-amon... It didn't seem right that Bandwidth had more of the market than Inteliquent and Level 3 (and potentially Vonage and Twilio) combined. That lead me to doubt everything else in the report. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com

Bandwidth is who provides MS?s calling plans for Business Voice (Teams calling). Wouldn?t surprise me at all if MS is their biggest customer. From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 8:33 PM To: VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: [VoiceOps] Market Leaders? Does anyone other than ShareTracker have data on market share? I saw this page when looking for something else. https://sharetracker.com/bandwidth-inteliquent-level3-and-peerless-tops-among-voip-carriers/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sharetracker.com_bandwidth-2Dinteliquent-2Dlevel3-2Dand-2Dpeerless-2Dtops-2Damong-2Dvoip-2Dcarriers_&d=DwQFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=O9zkNrKbQF1fgs1KTBRWpbNPvZEkJNea930OX6UPkBE&m=6HqPTeNGZSDtAPJmMM1CPwNSbNvX6qoTUnq4eKs_PFw&s=L3eppXwgsMcLk0Q0qWhYG-SEOiji6fx193ooQqcS1r0&e=> It didn't seem right that Bandwidth had more of the market than Inteliquent and Level 3 (and potentially Vonage and Twilio) combined. That lead me to doubt everything else in the report. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ics-2Dil.com&d=DwQFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=O9zkNrKbQF1fgs1KTBRWpbNPvZEkJNea930OX6UPkBE&m=6HqPTeNGZSDtAPJmMM1CPwNSbNvX6qoTUnq4eKs_PFw&s=xiGo8DusLf52xYRgyCom6ZzkWrB5Ju2QXSzCEjeaYHo&e=> Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.midwest-2Dix.com&d=DwQFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=O9zkNrKbQF1fgs1KTBRWpbNPvZEkJNea930OX6UPkBE&m=6HqPTeNGZSDtAPJmMM1CPwNSbNvX6qoTUnq4eKs_PFw&s=FiKniQu3vAx71palvp0OKEfQMKTByE72vI2f7vQvqJI&e=>

The data is from 2 years ago... Inteliquent purchased Onvoy, and now Sinch is buying Inteliquent. They also do not define what they consider "VoIP Business landscape" -- minutes? DIDs? something else? Data without clear methodology is simply obscuring numbers that cannot be trusted. On Tue, 22 Jun 2021, Mike Hammett wrote:
Does anyone other than ShareTracker have data on market share? I saw this page when looking for something else.
https://sharetracker.com/bandwidth-inteliquent-level3-and-peerless-tops-amon...
It didn't seem right that Bandwidth had more of the market than Inteliquent and Level 3 (and potentially Vonage and Twilio) combined. That lead me to doubt everything else in the report.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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"The data is from 2 years ago" Sure, but even two years ago would it have been right? Thus far, I've kind of viewed Bandwidth as an underdog when measured against the others. " Sinch is buying Inteliquent" I'm always skeptical when someone I've never heard of buys a major piece of telecom or infrastructure. I'm more skeptical when the purchaser's web site mostly talks about API and not infrastructure. "Data without clear methodology is simply obscuring numbers that cannot be trusted." Agreed. That's why I came here, looking for another view point. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Beckman" <beckman at angryox.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 12:03:36 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Market Leaders? The data is from 2 years ago... Inteliquent purchased Onvoy, and now Sinch is buying Inteliquent. They also do not define what they consider "VoIP Business landscape" -- minutes? DIDs? something else? Data without clear methodology is simply obscuring numbers that cannot be trusted. On Tue, 22 Jun 2021, Mike Hammett wrote:
Does anyone other than ShareTracker have data on market share? I saw this page when looking for something else.
https://sharetracker.com/bandwidth-inteliquent-level3-and-peerless-tops-amon...
It didn't seem right that Bandwidth had more of the market than Inteliquent and Level 3 (and potentially Vonage and Twilio) combined. That lead me to doubt everything else in the report.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beckman at angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

When a report says VoIP what does the author mean?? CPaaS? UCaaS? SIP Trunking? Much has changed since that report in 2019 (probably using 2018 data). Sinch is big in Europe. They IPO'ed and raised almost $1B to expand. Buying Inteliquent was to get a foothold in the US. Inteliquent was owned by PE firm GTCR who acquired it for $800M in 2017. Time to cash that portfolio company out. Twilio and Vonage hold a majority of the API/CPaaS business in North America, but you can see the market of CPaaS here: https://www.nojitter.com/cpaas/cpaas-fast-growing-market-crowded-space Bandwidth bought Voxbone to grow internationally. The company focuses on communication APIs, and serves many prominent UCaaS and CCaaS vendors, including Cisco, Genesys, Google, Microsoft,? and Zoom. Inteliquent (and Onvoy and Neutral Tandem) was a lot of termination traffic. Toll free. Bandwidth has some of that business but also the CPaaS platform business of SMS, notifications and DIDs. Even at $350M in revenue it is smaller than Inteliquent ($533M) and Twilio? ($1.7B) Vonage (Nexmo) revenue is $1B with roughly 30-35% of that being Nexmo. Regards, Peter @ RAD-INFO INC On 6/23/2021 8:16 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
"The data is from 2 years ago"
Sure, but even two years ago would it have been right?
Thus far, I've kind of viewed Bandwidth as an underdog when measured against the others.
"Sinch is buying Inteliquent"
I'm always skeptical when someone I've never heard of buys a major piece of telecom or infrastructure. I'm more skeptical when the purchaser's web site mostly talks about API and not infrastructure.
"Data without clear methodology is simply obscuring numbers that cannot be trusted."
Agreed. That's why I came here, looking for another view point.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: *"Peter Beckman" <beckman at angryox.com> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> *Cc: *"VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 23, 2021 12:03:36 AM *Subject: *Re: [VoiceOps] Market Leaders?
The data is from 2 years ago... Inteliquent purchased Onvoy, and now Sinch is buying Inteliquent.
They also do not define what they consider "VoIP Business landscape" -- minutes? DIDs? something else?
Data without clear methodology is simply obscuring numbers that cannot be trusted.
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021, Mike Hammett wrote:
Does anyone other than ShareTracker have data on market share? I saw this page when looking for something else.
https://sharetracker.com/bandwidth-inteliquent-level3-and-peerless-tops-amon...
It didn't seem right that Bandwidth had more of the market than
Inteliquent and Level 3 (and potentially Vonage and Twilio) combined. That lead me to doubt everything else in the report.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Beckman ? ?Internet Guy beckman at angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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It looks like Inteliquent's revenues are 35% higher than Bandwidth, so something is being lost. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/bandwidth-announces-fourth-quarter-.... https://techcrunch.com/2021/02/17/sinch-inteliquent/#:~:text=Inteliquent%20%.... Most of that original article I linked to is about ports in\out. I wonder that if some of the Inteliquent\Peerless presence is lost because they host other networks, not so much doing it themselves. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> To: "VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 7:32:55 PM Subject: [VoiceOps] Market Leaders? Does anyone other than ShareTracker have data on market share? I saw this page when looking for something else. https://sharetracker.com/bandwidth-inteliquent-level3-and-peerless-tops-amon... It didn't seem right that Bandwidth had more of the market than Inteliquent and Level 3 (and potentially Vonage and Twilio) combined. That lead me to doubt everything else in the report. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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