I need to deploy a few outdoor-rated speakerphones for a customer, to serve in place of the old intercom systems. The ONLY thing they need to do is dial a single pre-set number on our system when a button is pressed. So really, just looking for an outdoor speaker phone with a "dial from memory" button. Does anyone have one they really like? 802.11af would be a nice bonus, but not absolutely required.
Valcom (http://www.valcom.com/homelinks/intercom.htm) units we?ve used a number of time as well as Algo (http://www.algosolutions.com/products/doorphones-security/8028-sip-doorphone...)
On 11/07/16 20:17, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
I need to deploy a few outdoor-rated speakerphones for a customer, to serve in place of the old intercom systems. The ONLY thing they need to do is dial a single pre-set number on our system when a button is pressed. So really, just looking for an outdoor speaker phone with a "dial from memory" button.
Does anyone have one they really like? 802.11af would be a nice bonus, but not absolutely required.
Have a look at devices made by 2N Alphatech Baudisch (more specialised security stuff) I think Algo have one too. 2N is the most popular. blatent plug from my employer, but gives you some ideas: https://www.provu.co.uk/door_entry.html The key considerations are: 1) How much echo on a call. Some units we tested, the audio quality rubbish 2) how waterproof. And if it is a fully waterproof model, ensure you follow the manufacturer's instructions to mount. We have returns where the installer has just drilled a hole through the waterproof case to install, make it not waterproof anymore. -- Tim Bray tim at kooky.org | +44 7966 479015 | http://www.kooky.org Huddersfield, UK
Years ago my wife?s parents (the Outlaws) wanted something simple like this and I found this: http://www.doorbellfon.com/homephone.htm The ?DoorBell Fon? was what we used for the project. Requirements: Analog phone line, can be used by any phone in the house, two way audio, use existing doorbell wire. What this device does is insert itself between the demarc and the phones in the house.? If you are on the phone it acts like a call waiting service to let you know someone is at the door.? The reverse is also true,? If you are talking to someone at the door and a phone call comes in, you will be notified that the phone is ringing. I believe you can set the ring so that you can tell if it?s a phone call or the door (double ring for door).? There is also the ability to activate a relay for a door opener if necessary. You could very easily hook this to an ATA and connect it to a voip system. When I installed this some 10 years ago, it cost about $85.00 wholesale.? It?s still running and they still love it.? You can still get parts so if something fails, just order the new part and you are good to go.? I?m seeing current retail for this item in the $150 range or less. http://www.multiconnects.com/doorbell-fon-dp28it This kit is only $130. For the money and easy install factor, this was an absolute no brainer as the right thing to use. The electronics look very much like something from ?Viking Electronics? if you?ve used their products. Jay (Not affiliated with these companies in any way, just like their product.) From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Alvarez Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 2:18 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] SIP door intercom-phones I need to deploy a few outdoor-rated speakerphones for a customer, to serve in place of the old intercom systems. The ONLY thing they need to do is dial a single pre-set number on our system when a button is pressed. So really, just looking for an outdoor speaker phone with a "dial from memory" button. Does anyone have one they really like? 802.11af would be a nice bonus, but not absolutely required.
FWIW, I had the DoorBellFon for a while. At the time I had it connected to the analog jack of a Gigaset SIP/DECT cordless phone. It was dreadful. Lousy audio quality. Tended to oscillate. It had a difficult time getting loud enough to be heard over the ambience at our front gate. I wrote it off as a false economy and replaced it with an Algo Solutions 8028. Michael --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP door intercom-phones From: "Jay Taylor" <jay.taylor at hitechmn.com> Date: 7/11/16 4:39 pm To: "'Carlos Alvarez'" <caalvarez at gmail.com>, voiceops at voiceops.org Years ago my wife's parents (the Outlaws) wanted something simple like this and I found this: http://www.doorbellfon.com/homephone.htm The ?DoorBell Fon? was what we used for the project. Requirements: Analog phone line, can be used by any phone in the house, two way audio, use existing doorbell wire. What this device does is insert itself between the demarc and the phones in the house. If you are on the phone it acts like a call waiting service to let you know someone is at the door. The reverse is also true, If you are talking to someone at the door and a phone call comes in, you will be notified that the phone is ringing. I believe you can set the ring so that you can tell if it's a phone call or the door (double ring for door). There is also the ability to activate a relay for a door opener if necessary. You could very easily hook this to an ATA and connect it to a voip system. When I installed this some 10 years ago, it cost about $85.00 wholesale. It's still running and they still love it. You can still get parts so if something fails, just order the new part and you are good to go. I'm seeing current retail for this item in the $150 range or less. http://www.multiconnects.com/doorbell-fon-dp28it This kit is only $130. For the money and easy install factor, this was an absolute no brainer as the right thing to use. The electronics look very much like something from ?Viking Electronics? if you've used their products. Jay (Not affiliated with these companies in any way, just like their product.) From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Alvarez Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 2:18 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] SIP door intercom-phones I need to deploy a few outdoor-rated speakerphones for a customer, to serve in place of the old intercom systems. The ONLY thing they need to do is dial a single pre-set number on our system when a button is pressed. So really, just looking for an outdoor speaker phone with a "dial from memory" button. Does anyone have one they really like? 802.11af would be a nice bonus, but not absolutely required. _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Carlos, I have been using 2N for several years now. It is not cheap at all, but once you get it installed it works just great. It is a full IP phone, not just a speaker or an intercom. Mine also has video which you can watch on a video phone, such as GrandStream. I am not sure if it has WiFi, but I am using it with POE so it has a wire anyways. Some other great advantage is that it has an RFID sensor so the door can be opened with multiple unique cards or keyfobs. I think that you can also get it today with Bluetooth or NFC, which will make it even more convenient. I would recommend it whole heatedly, and I am not affiliated with 2N. Good luck! On Jul 11, 2016 5:51 PM, <mgraves at mstvp.com> wrote:
FWIW, I had the DoorBellFon <https://www.mgraves.org/2011/10/an-analog-phone-for-our-front-gate-done-deal/>for a while. At the time I had it connected to the analog jack of a Gigaset SIP/DECT cordless phone.
It was dreadful. Lousy audio quality. Tended to oscillate. It had a difficult time getting loud enough to be heard over the ambience at our front gate.
I wrote it off as a false economy and replaced it with an Algo Solutions 8028 <https://www.mgraves.org/2015/05/review-algo-communications-8028-sip-door-pho...> .
Michael
--------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP door intercom-phones From: "Jay Taylor" <jay.taylor at hitechmn.com> Date: 7/11/16 4:39 pm To: "'Carlos Alvarez'" <caalvarez at gmail.com>, voiceops at voiceops.org
Years ago my wife?s parents (the Outlaws) wanted something simple like this and I found this:
http://www.doorbellfon.com/homephone.htm
The ?DoorBell Fon? was what we used for the project.
Requirements:
Analog phone line, can be used by any phone in the house, two way audio, use existing doorbell wire.
What this device does is insert itself between the demarc and the phones in the house. If you are on the phone it acts like a call waiting service to let you know someone is at the door. The reverse is also true, If you are talking to someone at the door and a phone call comes in, you will be notified that the phone is ringing.
I believe you can set the ring so that you can tell if it?s a phone call or the door (double ring for door). There is also the ability to activate a relay for a door opener if necessary.
You could very easily hook this to an ATA and connect it to a voip system.
When I installed this some 10 years ago, it cost about $85.00 wholesale. It?s still running and they still love it. You can still get parts so if something fails, just order the new part and you are good to go. I?m seeing current retail for this item in the $150 range or less.
http://www.multiconnects.com/doorbell-fon-dp28it This kit is only $130.
For the money and easy install factor, this was an absolute no brainer as the right thing to use.
The electronics look very much like something from ?Viking Electronics? if you?ve used their products.
Jay
(Not affiliated with these companies in any way, just like their product.)
*From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] *On Behalf Of *Carlos Alvarez *Sent:* Monday, July 11, 2016 2:18 PM *To:* voiceops at voiceops.org *Subject:* [VoiceOps] SIP door intercom-phones
I need to deploy a few outdoor-rated speakerphones for a customer, to serve in place of the old intercom systems. The ONLY thing they need to do is dial a single pre-set number on our system when a button is pressed. So really, just looking for an outdoor speaker phone with a "dial from memory" button.
Does anyone have one they really like? 802.11af would be a nice bonus, but not absolutely required.
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I would be hesitant to extend an Ethernet connection for a SIP phone outside of the secured building perimeter without mitigating the potential security risks to the network. Much better to use one of any number of existing products which use an analog phone line; and connect it back to an ATA located within the perimeter. David From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Oren Yehezkely Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 15:41 To: mgraves at mstvp.com Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP door intercom-phones Carlos, I have been using 2N for several years now. It is not cheap at all, but once you get it installed it works just great. It is a full IP phone, not just a speaker or an intercom. Mine also has video which you can watch on a video phone, such as GrandStream. I am not sure if it has WiFi, but I am using it with POE so it has a wire anyways. Some other great advantage is that it has an RFID sensor so the door can be opened with multiple unique cards or keyfobs. I think that you can also get it today with Bluetooth or NFC, which will make it even more convenient. I would recommend it whole heatedly, and I am not affiliated with 2N. Good luck! On Jul 11, 2016 5:51 PM, <mgraves at mstvp.com<mailto:mgraves at mstvp.com>> wrote: FWIW, I had the DoorBellFon <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.mgraves.org_2011_10...> for a while. At the time I had it connected to the analog jack of a Gigaset SIP/DECT cordless phone. It was dreadful. Lousy audio quality. Tended to oscillate. It had a difficult time getting loud enough to be heard over the ambience at our front gate. I wrote it off as a false economy and replaced it with an Algo Solutions 8028<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.mgraves.org_2015_05...>. Michael --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP door intercom-phones From: "Jay Taylor" <jay.taylor at hitechmn.com<mailto:jay.taylor at hitechmn.com>> Date: 7/11/16 4:39 pm To: "'Carlos Alvarez'" <caalvarez at gmail.com<mailto:caalvarez at gmail.com>>, voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org> Years ago my wife?s parents (the Outlaws) wanted something simple like this and I found this: http://www.doorbellfon.com/homephone.htm<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.doorbellfon.com_homephone.htm&d=DQMFaQ&c=N13-TaG7c-EYAiUNohBk74oLRjUiBTwVm-KSnr4bPSc&r=VcRLyVxkyGds34uxiPM944HQvaWq-nynyZXfNpSfhOs&m=aBs-gW6LaUoPzA5rmG8jb6witfvXmQata-mtiVXgElg&s=SjZM8nL_BGEjUR7Hu91A9UfKCi3g5LmPFhuGkkA0liE&e=> The ?DoorBell Fon? was what we used for the project. Requirements: Analog phone line, can be used by any phone in the house, two way audio, use existing doorbell wire. What this device does is insert itself between the demarc and the phones in the house. If you are on the phone it acts like a call waiting service to let you know someone is at the door. The reverse is also true, If you are talking to someone at the door and a phone call comes in, you will be notified that the phone is ringing. I believe you can set the ring so that you can tell if it?s a phone call or the door (double ring for door). There is also the ability to activate a relay for a door opener if necessary. You could very easily hook this to an ATA and connect it to a voip system. When I installed this some 10 years ago, it cost about $85.00 wholesale. It?s still running and they still love it. You can still get parts so if something fails, just order the new part and you are good to go. I?m seeing current retail for this item in the $150 range or less. http://www.multiconnects.com/doorbell-fon-dp28it<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.multiconnects.com_doorbell-2Dfon-2Ddp28it&d=DQMFaQ&c=N13-TaG7c-EYAiUNohBk74oLRjUiBTwVm-KSnr4bPSc&r=VcRLyVxkyGds34uxiPM944HQvaWq-nynyZXfNpSfhOs&m=aBs-gW6LaUoPzA5rmG8jb6witfvXmQata-mtiVXgElg&s=tsrfXYNmLPevyAbGs4a5Cqp9eFk2YzmIAyUwomAuuiA&e=> This kit is only $130. For the money and easy install factor, this was an absolute no brainer as the right thing to use. The electronics look very much like something from ?Viking Electronics? if you?ve used their products. Jay (Not affiliated with these companies in any way, just like their product.) 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Many of the SIP door phone products handle this issue. The Algo Communications device that I have used has an external intercom device that's connected to a separate interface box inside the building. Only a twisted pair run between them with power and signaling. There's no need for Ethernet to to the exterior wall. Michael --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP door intercom-phones From: "Zilk, David" <David.Zilk at cdk.com> Date: 7/13/16 10:20 am To: "voiceops at voiceops.org" <voiceops at voiceops.org> I would be hesitant to extend an Ethernet connection for a SIP phone outside of the secured building perimeter without mitigating the potential security risks to the network. Much better to use one of any number of existing products which use an analog phone line; and connect it back to an ATA located within the perimeter. David From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Oren Yehezkely Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 15:41 To: mgraves at mstvp.com Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP door intercom-phones Carlos, I have been using 2N for several years now. It is not cheap at all, but once you get it installed it works just great. It is a full IP phone, not just a speaker or an intercom. Mine also has video which you can watch on a video phone, such as GrandStream. I am not sure if it has WiFi, but I am using it with POE so it has a wire anyways. Some other great advantage is that it has an RFID sensor so the door can be opened with multiple unique cards or keyfobs. I think that you can also get it today with Bluetooth or NFC, which will make it even more convenient. I would recommend it whole heatedly, and I am not affiliated with 2N. Good luck! On Jul 11, 2016 5:51 PM, <mgraves at mstvp.com> wrote: FWIW, I had the DoorBellFon for a while. At the time I had it connected to the analog jack of a Gigaset SIP/DECT cordless phone. It was dreadful. Lousy audio quality. Tended to oscillate. It had a difficult time getting loud enough to be heard over the ambience at our front gate. I wrote it off as a false economy and replaced it with an Algo Solutions 8028. Michael --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP door intercom-phones From: "Jay Taylor" <jay.taylor at hitechmn.com> Date: 7/11/16 4:39 pm To: "'Carlos Alvarez'" <caalvarez at gmail.com>, voiceops at voiceops.org Years ago my wife's parents (the Outlaws) wanted something simple like this and I found this: http://www.doorbellfon.com/homephone.htm The ?DoorBell Fon? was what we used for the project. Requirements: Analog phone line, can be used by any phone in the house, two way audio, use existing doorbell wire. What this device does is insert itself between the demarc and the phones in the house. If you are on the phone it acts like a call waiting service to let you know someone is at the door. The reverse is also true, If you are talking to someone at the door and a phone call comes in, you will be notified that the phone is ringing. I believe you can set the ring so that you can tell if it's a phone call or the door (double ring for door). There is also the ability to activate a relay for a door opener if necessary. You could very easily hook this to an ATA and connect it to a voip system. When I installed this some 10 years ago, it cost about $85.00 wholesale. It's still running and they still love it. You can still get parts so if something fails, just order the new part and you are good to go. I'm seeing current retail for this item in the $150 range or less. http://www.multiconnects.com/doorbell-fon-dp28it This kit is only $130. For the money and easy install factor, this was an absolute no brainer as the right thing to use. The electronics look very much like something from ?Viking Electronics? if you've used their products. Jay (Not affiliated with these companies in any way, just like their product.) From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Alvarez Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 2:18 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] SIP door intercom-phones I need to deploy a few outdoor-rated speakerphones for a customer, to serve in place of the old intercom systems. The ONLY thing they need to do is dial a single pre-set number on our system when a button is pressed. So really, just looking for an outdoor speaker phone with a "dial from memory" button. 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On 13/07/16 16:20, Zilk, David wrote:
I would be hesitant to extend an Ethernet connection for a SIP phone > outside of the secured building perimeter without mitigating the > potential security risks to the network. Much better to use one of > any number of existing products which use an analog phone line; and > connect it back to an ATA located within the perimeter.
It is maybe an issue. So somebody opens the door phone, get's the ethernet out and then connects to your network. It is no more an issue of telling your staff the wifi access password and they tell their friend. I've seen a product where the anti tamper on the device connects back to relay in the ethernet wire further back. With a latch on failure. Or you could just put that cable into it's own vlan. If you chat to installers of many of these devices, they will describe them as `access control` rather than `security`. Meaning, ok to stop a random wandering off the street. Not going to stop a determined person. In my office, we use a 2N on the front door. But at night it (and it's cat5) is covered by a locked security shutter. Tim
Thanks to everyone who replied, both on and off list. I went with the Algo 8028. Why? Doesn't expose ethernet to the outside, only two audio wires. Cheap/rugged outside piece. Great price. Available from my preferred distributor, Netx. Specs meet exactly what they asked for with no fluff (no video, no keypad, etc) Very highly reviewed elsewhere. How do most people program these to ring into the office phones? I'm thinking that they will all ring the main "reception" people at each customer location for a few rings, and then roll over to ringing the entire (or most of) the facility. On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Tim Bray <tim at kooky.org> wrote:
On 13/07/16 16:20, Zilk, David wrote:
I would be hesitant to extend an Ethernet connection for a SIP phone > outside of the secured building perimeter without mitigating the > potential security risks to the network. Much better to use one of > any number of existing products which use an analog phone line; and > connect it back to an ATA located within the perimeter.
It is maybe an issue. So somebody opens the door phone, get's the ethernet out and then connects to your network.
It is no more an issue of telling your staff the wifi access password and they tell their friend.
I've seen a product where the anti tamper on the device connects back to relay in the ethernet wire further back. With a latch on failure. Or you could just put that cable into it's own vlan.
If you chat to installers of many of these devices, they will describe them as `access control` rather than `security`.
Meaning, ok to stop a random wandering off the street. Not going to stop a determined person.
In my office, we use a 2N on the front door. But at night it (and it's cat5) is covered by a locked security shutter.
Tim
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On 15/07/16 18:37, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
How do most people program these to ring into the office phones? I'm thinking that they will all ring the main "reception" people at each customer location for a few rings, and then roll over to ringing the entire (or most of) the facility.
Ours rings a magic extension. It adds an Alert-Info: headers so that the (snom) phone ringing sounds like a door bell. And then when somebody answers, it automatically drops into a conference call with an Algo SIP Alerter. So other people can listen in on the call (our warehouse mainly). Tim
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