Porting Number - CLEC
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct? The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct? Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
Your trunking will be based on your LRN and the ILEC trunking plan for that NPA/NXX. You should read your ILEC ICA for details. -Paul On 06/15/2011 11:49 AM, Eric Hiller wrote:
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct?
The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct?
Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
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To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking established to the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all your Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the LATA to yourself. Make sense? Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969 -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hiller Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct? The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct? Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Mary Lou, At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/> On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking established to the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all your Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the LATA to yourself. Make sense?
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hiller Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct?
The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct?
Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
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On 06/15/2011 06:59 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at.
I'm pretty sure it's that way here in BellSouth/AT&T land as well. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/
Same requirement from Verizon in LATA 132 ( New york metro). Anyone has idea about other Verizon territories ? -Jay. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Carlos Alcantar <carlos at race.com> wrote:
Mary Lou,
At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>
On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking established to the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all your Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the LATA to yourself. Make sense?
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org ] On Behalf Of Eric Hiller Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct?
The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct?
Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
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I would not think you would need trunks to all the tandems in the lata for TERMINATIONS though, just ORIGINATIONS as Mary Lou had said? For example I can port a number from Level 3 even though I am not on every tandem in the LATA now. Is this correct Mary Lou? So if I added 4 new LATAs and I just wanted to do terminations, I would just have to establish a new LRN in each LATA as well as trunking to the tandem my LRN is homed on? -Eric On Wed, June 15, 2011 5:59 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Mary Lou,
At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>
On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking established to the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all your Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the LATA to yourself. Make sense?
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hiller Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct?
The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct?
Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
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Eric, We just went through this battle with att we thought the same but reading deep into our ICA we had to get minimum trunks to all the tandems in the lata 2x t1's and then we ordered the majority of our trunking at the tandem where we homed our LRN. It sucks but we haven't found a way around it. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos *at* race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/> On 6/16/11 2:02 PM, "Eric Hiller" <clec at cygnustel.com> wrote:
I would not think you would need trunks to all the tandems in the lata for TERMINATIONS though, just ORIGINATIONS as Mary Lou had said?
For example I can port a number from Level 3 even though I am not on every tandem in the LATA now.
Is this correct Mary Lou? So if I added 4 new LATAs and I just wanted to do terminations, I would just have to establish a new LRN in each LATA as well as trunking to the tandem my LRN is homed on?
-Eric
On Wed, June 15, 2011 5:59 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Mary Lou,
At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>
On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking established to the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all your Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the LATA to yourself. Make sense?
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hiller Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct?
The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct?
Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
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Carlos, But what if you were in a LATA where ATT is and you have no ICA with ATT just some other ILEC in the LATA? Are you saying that ATT would not allow you to port any numbers from them without an ICA? -Eric On Thu, June 16, 2011 5:30 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Eric,
We just went through this battle with att we thought the same but reading deep into our ICA we had to get minimum trunks to all the tandems in the lata 2x t1's and then we ordered the majority of our trunking at the tandem where we homed our LRN. It sucks but we haven't found a way around it.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos *at* race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>
On 6/16/11 2:02 PM, "Eric Hiller" <clec at cygnustel.com> wrote:
I would not think you would need trunks to all the tandems in the lata for TERMINATIONS though, just ORIGINATIONS as Mary Lou had said?
For example I can port a number from Level 3 even though I am not on every tandem in the LATA now.
Is this correct Mary Lou? So if I added 4 new LATAs and I just wanted to do terminations, I would just have to establish a new LRN in each LATA as well as trunking to the tandem my LRN is homed on?
-Eric
On Wed, June 15, 2011 5:59 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Mary Lou,
At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>
On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking established to the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all your Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the LATA to yourself. Make sense?
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hiller Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct?
The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct?
Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
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No ILEC I've ever seen will let you port without an ICA On 06/16/2011 07:12 PM, Eric Hiller wrote:
Carlos,
But what if you were in a LATA where ATT is and you have no ICA with ATT just some other ILEC in the LATA? Are you saying that ATT would not allow you to port any numbers from them without an ICA?
-Eric
On Thu, June 16, 2011 5:30 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Eric,
We just went through this battle with att we thought the same but reading deep into our ICA we had to get minimum trunks to all the tandems in the lata 2x t1's and then we ordered the majority of our trunking at the tandem where we homed our LRN. It sucks but we haven't found a way around it.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos *at* race.com / www.race.com<http://www.race.com/>
On 6/16/11 2:02 PM, "Eric Hiller"<clec at cygnustel.com> wrote:
I would not think you would need trunks to all the tandems in the lata for TERMINATIONS though, just ORIGINATIONS as Mary Lou had said?
For example I can port a number from Level 3 even though I am not on every tandem in the LATA now.
Is this correct Mary Lou? So if I added 4 new LATAs and I just wanted to do terminations, I would just have to establish a new LRN in each LATA as well as trunking to the tandem my LRN is homed on?
-Eric
On Wed, June 15, 2011 5:59 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Mary Lou,
At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com<http://www.race.com/>
On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey"<marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking established to the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all your Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the LATA to yourself. Make sense?
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hiller Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct?
The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct?
Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
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Ah, so it is just CLECs ala Level 3 and XO that let us do this then? -Eric On Thu, June 16, 2011 6:15 pm, Paul Timmins wrote:
No ILEC I've ever seen will let you port without an ICA
On 06/16/2011 07:12 PM, Eric Hiller wrote:
Carlos,
But what if you were in a LATA where ATT is and you have no ICA with ATT just some other ILEC in the LATA? Are you saying that ATT would not allow you to port any numbers from them without an ICA?
-Eric
On Thu, June 16, 2011 5:30 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Eric,
We just went through this battle with att we thought the same but reading deep into our ICA we had to get minimum trunks to all the tandems in the lata 2x t1's and then we ordered the majority of our trunking at the tandem where we homed our LRN. It sucks but we haven't found a way around it.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos *at* race.com / www.race.com<http://www.race.com/>
On 6/16/11 2:02 PM, "Eric Hiller"<clec at cygnustel.com> wrote:
I would not think you would need trunks to all the tandems in the lata for TERMINATIONS though, just ORIGINATIONS as Mary Lou had said?
For example I can port a number from Level 3 even though I am not on every tandem in the LATA now.
Is this correct Mary Lou? So if I added 4 new LATAs and I just wanted to do terminations, I would just have to establish a new LRN in each LATA as well as trunking to the tandem my LRN is homed on?
-Eric
On Wed, June 15, 2011 5:59 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Mary Lou,
At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com<http://www.race.com/>
On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey"<marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking established to the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all your Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the LATA to yourself. Make sense?
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hiller Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct?
The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct?
Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
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On 06/16/2011 07:19 PM, Eric Hiller wrote:
Ah, so it is just CLECs ala Level 3 and XO that let us do this then?
Correct. Routing between CLECs is accomplished through the ILEC tandem or a private interconnect. But an ILEC is "special." -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/
Correct - I've had a few try to convince us that they themselves required an ICA but they generally backed down from that. You should really have a formal relationship with ILECs anyway, if you'll be porting from them. You have OSS systems you'll want access to for LSRs/CSRs and ticket opening, and you'll want to get accessable letters for things that might affect your relationships or routing. If you're going to do this multi-ILEC thing, make sure both ICAs include something about traffic from other ILECs transiting their tandems. -Paul On 06/16/2011 07:19 PM, Eric Hiller wrote:
Ah, so it is just CLECs ala Level 3 and XO that let us do this then?
-Eric
On Thu, June 16, 2011 6:15 pm, Paul Timmins wrote:
No ILEC I've ever seen will let you port without an ICA
On 06/16/2011 07:12 PM, Eric Hiller wrote:
Carlos,
But what if you were in a LATA where ATT is and you have no ICA with ATT just some other ILEC in the LATA? Are you saying that ATT would not allow you to port any numbers from them without an ICA?
-Eric
On Thu, June 16, 2011 5:30 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Eric,
We just went through this battle with att we thought the same but reading deep into our ICA we had to get minimum trunks to all the tandems in the lata 2x t1's and then we ordered the majority of our trunking at the tandem where we homed our LRN. It sucks but we haven't found a way around it.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos *at* race.com / www.race.com<http://www.race.com/>
On 6/16/11 2:02 PM, "Eric Hiller"<clec at cygnustel.com> wrote:
I would not think you would need trunks to all the tandems in the lata for TERMINATIONS though, just ORIGINATIONS as Mary Lou had said?
For example I can port a number from Level 3 even though I am not on every tandem in the LATA now.
Is this correct Mary Lou? So if I added 4 new LATAs and I just wanted to do terminations, I would just have to establish a new LRN in each LATA as well as trunking to the tandem my LRN is homed on?
-Eric
On Wed, June 15, 2011 5:59 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Mary Lou,
At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com<http://www.race.com/>
On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey"<marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
> To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN > tandem > in > that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking > established > to > the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have > all > your > Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the > LATA > to > yourself. Make sense? > > > Mary Lou Carey > BackUP Telecom Consulting > CLEC Consultant > OFF: 615-791-9969 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org > [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] > On Behalf Of Eric Hiller > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM > To: voiceops at voiceops.org > Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC > > In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is > it > that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx > holder? > IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands > block > is > held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by > Company > B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into > Tandem > C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be > company > A,B or some third company C correct? > > The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well > correct? > > Thanks, > -Eric Hiller > Cygnus > > > > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps at voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps at voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > > >
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Eric, You will pretty much get stopped at the door with out being a clec without an ICA. You can't even get some of the required codes from telcordia and neustar without showing your proof of being a state regulated utility. There are a bunch of steps that need to happen before you can get to the point of doing local interconnect. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos *at* race.com / www.race.com On 6/16/11 4:12 PM, "Eric Hiller" <clec at cygnustel.com> wrote:
Carlos,
But what if you were in a LATA where ATT is and you have no ICA with ATT just some other ILEC in the LATA? Are you saying that ATT would not allow you to port any numbers from them without an ICA?
-Eric
On Thu, June 16, 2011 5:30 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Eric,
We just went through this battle with att we thought the same but reading deep into our ICA we had to get minimum trunks to all the tandems in the lata 2x t1's and then we ordered the majority of our trunking at the tandem where we homed our LRN. It sucks but we haven't found a way around it.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos *at* race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>
On 6/16/11 2:02 PM, "Eric Hiller" <clec at cygnustel.com> wrote:
I would not think you would need trunks to all the tandems in the lata for TERMINATIONS though, just ORIGINATIONS as Mary Lou had said?
For example I can port a number from Level 3 even though I am not on every tandem in the LATA now.
Is this correct Mary Lou? So if I added 4 new LATAs and I just wanted to do terminations, I would just have to establish a new LRN in each LATA as well as trunking to the tandem my LRN is homed on?
-Eric
On Wed, June 15, 2011 5:59 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Mary Lou,
At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>
On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking established to the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all your Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the LATA to yourself. Make sense?
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hiller Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct?
The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct?
Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
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Carlos, We are a CLEC, and we have an ICA with ATT, this was regarding adding additional LATAs and ILECs to our network. -Eric On Thu, June 16, 2011 9:29 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Eric,
You will pretty much get stopped at the door with out being a clec without an ICA. You can't even get some of the required codes from telcordia and neustar without showing your proof of being a state regulated utility. There are a bunch of steps that need to happen before you can get to the point of doing local interconnect.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos *at* race.com / www.race.com
On 6/16/11 4:12 PM, "Eric Hiller" <clec at cygnustel.com> wrote:
Carlos,
But what if you were in a LATA where ATT is and you have no ICA with ATT just some other ILEC in the LATA? Are you saying that ATT would not allow you to port any numbers from them without an ICA?
-Eric
On Thu, June 16, 2011 5:30 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Eric,
We just went through this battle with att we thought the same but reading deep into our ICA we had to get minimum trunks to all the tandems in the lata 2x t1's and then we ordered the majority of our trunking at the tandem where we homed our LRN. It sucks but we haven't found a way around it.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos *at* race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>
On 6/16/11 2:02 PM, "Eric Hiller" <clec at cygnustel.com> wrote:
I would not think you would need trunks to all the tandems in the lata for TERMINATIONS though, just ORIGINATIONS as Mary Lou had said?
For example I can port a number from Level 3 even though I am not on every tandem in the LATA now.
Is this correct Mary Lou? So if I added 4 new LATAs and I just wanted to do terminations, I would just have to establish a new LRN in each LATA as well as trunking to the tandem my LRN is homed on?
-Eric
On Wed, June 15, 2011 5:59 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Mary Lou,
At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>
On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking established to the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all your Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the LATA to yourself. Make sense?
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hiller Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct?
The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct?
Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
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It depends on the ILEC you are dealing with. I've gotten AT&T Ameritech to only require me to trunk to the tandems that my client has NXXs in, but if you go to AT&T PacBell, they will require you to trunk to all the tandems regardless of whether or not you have NXXs there. AT&T BellSouth operates totally different than the other two and will allow you to install a multi-tandem supergroup that will pick up traffic from all their tandems in the LATA regardless of whether you have NXXs in another tandem or not. Some areas of CenturyLink still require you to pay to trunk to every CO.....so they are just all different! The cost of trunking also varies. Most AT&T PacBell and Verizon ICAs now say that each party pays for what's on their side of the POI. So if you have DS1 collo, you would only have to pay for transport between your collo and your switch but nothing for the trunks. If you had DS3 collo and ordered a 3/1 MUX to terminate your trunks on, then you would have to pay for the MUX but the LEC would cover the costs of the LIS trunks beyond that. The reason some LECs like SBC, PacBell, and Nevada Bell areas require you to trunk to all the tandems is because they are very much into wanting to provide diversity so that if one trunk group goes down the whole LATA isn't effected. So even though all your terminating traffic will come in on your LRN tandem, they want to keep all your originating traffic dispersed to the appropriate tandem. They also do this because it costs more for them to have to pass traffic back and forth between tandems than it does if it goes through the correct tandem. Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969 -----Original Message----- From: Eric Hiller [mailto:clec at cygnustel.com] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 4:03 PM To: Carlos Alcantar Cc: Mary Lou Carey; Eric Hiller; VoiceOps Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC I would not think you would need trunks to all the tandems in the lata for TERMINATIONS though, just ORIGINATIONS as Mary Lou had said? For example I can port a number from Level 3 even though I am not on every tandem in the LATA now. Is this correct Mary Lou? So if I added 4 new LATAs and I just wanted to do terminations, I would just have to establish a new LRN in each LATA as well as trunking to the tandem my LRN is homed on? -Eric On Wed, June 15, 2011 5:59 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Mary Lou,
At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>
On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking established to the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all your Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the LATA to yourself. Make sense?
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hiller Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct?
The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct?
Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
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Interesting you would think they would have the same policies across AT&T. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/> On 6/17/11 8:23 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
It depends on the ILEC you are dealing with. I've gotten AT&T Ameritech to only require me to trunk to the tandems that my client has NXXs in, but if you go to AT&T PacBell, they will require you to trunk to all the tandems regardless of whether or not you have NXXs there. AT&T BellSouth operates totally different than the other two and will allow you to install a multi-tandem supergroup that will pick up traffic from all their tandems in the LATA regardless of whether you have NXXs in another tandem or not. Some areas of CenturyLink still require you to pay to trunk to every CO.....so they are just all different!
The cost of trunking also varies. Most AT&T PacBell and Verizon ICAs now say that each party pays for what's on their side of the POI. So if you have DS1 collo, you would only have to pay for transport between your collo and your switch but nothing for the trunks. If you had DS3 collo and ordered a 3/1 MUX to terminate your trunks on, then you would have to pay for the MUX but the LEC would cover the costs of the LIS trunks beyond that.
The reason some LECs like SBC, PacBell, and Nevada Bell areas require you to trunk to all the tandems is because they are very much into wanting to provide diversity so that if one trunk group goes down the whole LATA isn't effected. So even though all your terminating traffic will come in on your LRN tandem, they want to keep all your originating traffic dispersed to the appropriate tandem. They also do this because it costs more for them to have to pass traffic back and forth between tandems than it does if it goes through the correct tandem.
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: Eric Hiller [mailto:clec at cygnustel.com] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 4:03 PM To: Carlos Alcantar Cc: Mary Lou Carey; Eric Hiller; VoiceOps Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
I would not think you would need trunks to all the tandems in the lata for TERMINATIONS though, just ORIGINATIONS as Mary Lou had said?
For example I can port a number from Level 3 even though I am not on every tandem in the LATA now.
Is this correct Mary Lou? So if I added 4 new LATAs and I just wanted to do terminations, I would just have to establish a new LRN in each LATA as well as trunking to the tandem my LRN is homed on?
-Eric
On Wed, June 15, 2011 5:59 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Mary Lou,
At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>
On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking established to the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all your Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the LATA to yourself. Make sense?
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hiller Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct?
The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct?
Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
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You would think.....but its actually broken down by what the LEC originally was. For example....AT&T West used to be Pacific Bell and Nevada Bell. AT&T SW used to be SBC etc. Verizon is the same way too. Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969 -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Alcantar [mailto:carlos at race.com] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 7:48 PM To: Mary Lou Carey; Eric Hiller Cc: VoiceOps Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC Interesting you would think they would have the same policies across AT&T. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/> On 6/17/11 8:23 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
It depends on the ILEC you are dealing with. I've gotten AT&T Ameritech to only require me to trunk to the tandems that my client has NXXs in, but if you go to AT&T PacBell, they will require you to trunk to all the tandems regardless of whether or not you have NXXs there. AT&T BellSouth operates totally different than the other two and will allow you to install a multi-tandem supergroup that will pick up traffic from all their tandems in the LATA regardless of whether you have NXXs in another tandem or not. Some areas of CenturyLink still require you to pay to trunk to every CO.....so they are just all different!
The cost of trunking also varies. Most AT&T PacBell and Verizon ICAs now say that each party pays for what's on their side of the POI. So if you have DS1 collo, you would only have to pay for transport between your collo and your switch but nothing for the trunks. If you had DS3 collo and ordered a 3/1 MUX to terminate your trunks on, then you would have to pay for the MUX but the LEC would cover the costs of the LIS trunks beyond that.
The reason some LECs like SBC, PacBell, and Nevada Bell areas require you to trunk to all the tandems is because they are very much into wanting to provide diversity so that if one trunk group goes down the whole LATA isn't effected. So even though all your terminating traffic will come in on your LRN tandem, they want to keep all your originating traffic dispersed to the appropriate tandem. They also do this because it costs more for them to have to pass traffic back and forth between tandems than it does if it goes through the correct tandem.
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: Eric Hiller [mailto:clec at cygnustel.com] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 4:03 PM To: Carlos Alcantar Cc: Mary Lou Carey; Eric Hiller; VoiceOps Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
I would not think you would need trunks to all the tandems in the lata for TERMINATIONS though, just ORIGINATIONS as Mary Lou had said?
For example I can port a number from Level 3 even though I am not on every tandem in the LATA now.
Is this correct Mary Lou? So if I added 4 new LATAs and I just wanted to do terminations, I would just have to establish a new LRN in each LATA as well as trunking to the tandem my LRN is homed on?
-Eric
On Wed, June 15, 2011 5:59 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Mary Lou,
At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata. At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where your LRN is going to sit at.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com / www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>
On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking established to the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all your Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the LATA to yourself. Make sense?
Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969
-----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hiller Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder? IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block is held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by Company B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into Tandem C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be company A,B or some third company C correct?
The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well correct?
Thanks, -Eric Hiller Cygnus
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On 06/17/2011 11:23 AM, Mary Lou Carey wrote:
AT&T BellSouth operates totally different than the other two and will allow you to install a multi-tandem supergroup that will pick up traffic from all their tandems in the LATA regardless of whether you have NXXs in another tandem or not.
But, of course, they will happily charge you variable multi-tandem access for the privilege, right? -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/
On 06/18/2011 05:12 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:
On 06/17/2011 11:23 AM, Mary Lou Carey wrote:
AT&T BellSouth operates totally different than the other two and will allow you to install a multi-tandem supergroup that will pick up traffic from all their tandems in the LATA regardless of whether you have NXXs in another tandem or not.
But, of course, they will happily charge you variable multi-tandem access for the privilege, right?
I mean if you're riding a tandem you have direct connectivity to in order to get to one that you don't. Or is that only for termination? -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/
My understanding is that you can't mix multi-tandem homing with the single tandem homing. So you either install trunks to all the tandems or only to one. If you install them to all, then they wouldn't charge you the multi-tandem rates. Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969 -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 4:14 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC On 06/18/2011 05:12 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:
On 06/17/2011 11:23 AM, Mary Lou Carey wrote:
AT&T BellSouth operates totally different than the other two and will allow you to install a multi-tandem supergroup that will pick up traffic from all their tandems in the LATA regardless of whether you have NXXs in another tandem or not.
But, of course, they will happily charge you variable multi-tandem access for the privilege, right?
I mean if you're riding a tandem you have direct connectivity to in order to get to one that you don't. Or is that only for termination? -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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