thinQ is making hay while Bandwidth is down
This seems to be a bit disingenuous. I don't believe that they can multi-home or move DIDs quickly? Or am I wrong? Could they actually solve the current problem? DIDs are the only issue; we simply moved outbound. [image: Better voice service from thinQ by Commio] <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...> Hi Carlos, Carrier outages happen, but with thinQ by Commio they won't leave Initiatel LLC without voice service. [image: Outages are in the past with thinQ!] <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...> With our voice disaster recovery solution, you can enable a dynamic failover solution to easily route calls around an outage, no matter what the cause, if disaster strikes. - Our multi-vendor solution gives you instant options for service in a disaster - Turn on all 5 toll-free and 40 domestic carriers to power custom routing so disaster recovery is fast & easy - Get back up and running FAST and power better performance at lower costs You can stop worrying about outages with thinQ?s predictive intelligence for call routing. Our innovative disaster recovery technology allows you to reroute domestic and toll-free calls during carrier and power outages so you can always be connected with your customers. [image: BETTER VOICE IS HERE] <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...>
I believe they are referring to TF and Termination DID's are going to be orphaned. On 9/27/2021 2:17 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
This seems to be a bit disingenuous.? I don't believe that they can multi-home or move DIDs quickly?? Or am I wrong?? Could they actually solve the current?problem?? DIDs are the only issue; we simply moved outbound.
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Hi Carlos,
Carrier outages happen, but with thinQ by Commio they won't leave Initiatel LLC without voice service.
Outages are in the past with thinQ! <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...>
With our voice disaster recovery solution, you can enable a dynamic failover solution to easily route calls around an outage, no matter what the cause, if disaster strikes.
* Our multi-vendor solution gives you instant options for service in a disaster * Turn on all 5 toll-free and 40 domestic carriers to power custom routing so disaster recovery is fast & easy * Get back up and running FAST and power better performance at lower costs
You can stop worrying about outages with thinQ?s predictive intelligence for call routing. Our innovative disaster recovery technology allows you to reroute domestic and toll-free calls during carrier and power outages so you can always be connected with your customers.
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Yeah that?s kindof piggybacking disingenuously to consumers who don?t know any better, yikes. From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Ryan Delgrosso <ryandelgrosso at gmail.com> Date: Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:32 PM To: "voiceops at voiceops.org" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] thinQ is making hay while Bandwidth is down I believe they are referring to TF and Termination DID's are going to be orphaned. On 9/27/2021 2:17 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: This seems to be a bit disingenuous. I don't believe that they can multi-home or move DIDs quickly? Or am I wrong? Could they actually solve the current problem? DIDs are the only issue; we simply moved outbound. [Better voice service from thinQ by Commio]<https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...> Hi Carlos, Carrier outages happen, but with thinQ by Commio they won't leave Initiatel LLC without voice service. [Outages are in the past with thinQ!]<https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...> With our voice disaster recovery solution, you can enable a dynamic failover solution to easily route calls around an outage, no matter what the cause, if disaster strikes. ? Our multi-vendor solution gives you instant options for service in a disaster ? Turn on all 5 toll-free and 40 domestic carriers to power custom routing so disaster recovery is fast & easy ? Get back up and running FAST and power better performance at lower costs You can stop worrying about outages with thinQ?s predictive intelligence for call routing. Our innovative disaster recovery technology allows you to reroute domestic and toll-free calls during carrier and power outages so you can always be connected with your customers. [BETTER VOICE IS HERE]<https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...> _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
They have felt to me to be a bit aggressive and not fully genuine on their sales efforts lately. We have used them for about 20% of our traffic for years, and seem pretty reliable. It would be interesting if they could do DID re-routing quickly, but as far as I've heard, that's TF only. On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 2:38 PM Darren via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
Yeah that?s kindof piggybacking disingenuously to consumers who don?t know any better, yikes.
*From: *VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Ryan Delgrosso <ryandelgrosso at gmail.com> *Date: *Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:32 PM *To: *"voiceops at voiceops.org" <voiceops at voiceops.org> *Subject: *Re: [VoiceOps] thinQ is making hay while Bandwidth is down
I believe they are referring to TF and Termination
DID's are going to be orphaned.
On 9/27/2021 2:17 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
This seems to be a bit disingenuous. I don't believe that they can multi-home or move DIDs quickly? Or am I wrong? Could they actually solve the current problem? DIDs are the only issue; we simply moved outbound.
[image: Better voice service from thinQ by Commio] <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...>
*Hi Carlos,*
Carrier outages happen, but with thinQ by Commio they won't leave Initiatel LLC without voice service.
[image: Outages are in the past with thinQ!] <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...>
With our voice disaster recovery solution, you can enable a dynamic failover solution to easily route calls around an outage, no matter what the cause, if disaster strikes.
? Our multi-vendor solution gives you instant options for service in a disaster
? Turn on all 5 toll-free and 40 domestic carriers to power custom routing so disaster recovery is fast & easy
? Get back up and running FAST and power better performance at lower costs
You can stop worrying about outages with thinQ?s predictive intelligence for call routing. Our innovative disaster recovery technology allows you to reroute domestic and toll-free calls during carrier and power outages so you can always be connected with your customers.
[image: BETTER VOICE IS HERE] <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...>
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No, nobody can ?flash-port? numbers to a different LRN like that. Anyone who claims this has a bridge to sell you. This capability is indeed limited to SMS/800.
On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
It would be interesting if they could do DID re-routing quickly
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How do cell phone companies port instantly? I can walk into Verizon and they can port my Tmobile number to them. Or are they all sharing a back end? You'd hope that once NTT was involved the DDOS would stop for Bandwidth... are people still failing calls? We stopped using them for Termination Saturday. Aryn Nakaoka anakaoka at trinet-hi.com Direct: 808.356.2901 518 Holokahana Lane Honolulu, Hi 96817 AlohaTone Mobile: https://youtu.be/PdUyuf0hTYY A Better Solution https://www.trinet-hi.com/abettersolution.pdf <https://www.trinet-hi.com/abettersolution.pdf> Aloha Tone PBX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96YWPY9wCeU CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments may be privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. Any disclosure, distribution or copying of this email or any attachments by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting this email and any attachments from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 11:59 AM Alex Balashov via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
No, nobody can ?flash-port? numbers to a different LRN like that. Anyone who claims this has a bridge to sell you.
This capability is indeed limited to SMS/800.
On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
It would be interesting if they could do DID re-routing quickly
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On Sep 27, 2021, at 6:04 PM, Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901 <anakaoka at trinet-hi.com> wrote:
How do cell phone companies port instantly? I can walk into Verizon and they can port my Tmobile number to them. Or are they all sharing a back end?
It?s got to be something like that. Whatever it is, VoIP ITSPs don?t have it through their intermediated supply chain of ULCs. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
Mobile carriers will do an internal short term forwarding while LRN changes get pushed or will use their existing agreements for porting and push for an LRN change live. If you have access to NPAC LRN updates you can make your changes but that does not guarantee that others see them ASAP, so usually it is a bit of both. On Mon, Sep 27, 2021, 3:12 PM Alex Balashov via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
On Sep 27, 2021, at 6:04 PM, Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901 < anakaoka at trinet-hi.com> wrote:
How do cell phone companies port instantly? I can walk into Verizon and they can port my Tmobile number to them. Or are they all sharing a back end?
It?s got to be something like that. Whatever it is, VoIP ITSPs don?t have it through their intermediated supply chain of ULCs.
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Additionally, I've experienced a number of these cellular ports that seemed hung in mid-port, where some calls flowed to the wrong carrier and would die there. The most amusing have been where the losing carrier tries to route the call internally. Cox is also "good" at doing this shenanigan on wireline. On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 3:21 PM Karl Douthit <karl at piratel.com> wrote:
Mobile carriers will do an internal short term forwarding while LRN changes get pushed or will use their existing agreements for porting and push for an LRN change live. If you have access to NPAC LRN updates you can make your changes but that does not guarantee that others see them ASAP, so usually it is a bit of both.
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021, 3:12 PM Alex Balashov via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
On Sep 27, 2021, at 6:04 PM, Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901 < anakaoka at trinet-hi.com> wrote:
How do cell phone companies port instantly? I can walk into Verizon and they can port my Tmobile number to them. Or are they all sharing a back end?
It?s got to be something like that. Whatever it is, VoIP ITSPs don?t have it through their intermediated supply chain of ULCs.
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Windstream and Lumen are terrible for that on wireline. On Mon, Sep 27, 2021, 6:35 PM Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
Additionally, I've experienced a number of these cellular ports that seemed hung in mid-port, where some calls flowed to the wrong carrier and would die there. The most amusing have been where the losing carrier tries to route the call internally. Cox is also "good" at doing this shenanigan on wireline.
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 3:21 PM Karl Douthit <karl at piratel.com> wrote:
Mobile carriers will do an internal short term forwarding while LRN changes get pushed or will use their existing agreements for porting and push for an LRN change live. If you have access to NPAC LRN updates you can make your changes but that does not guarantee that others see them ASAP, so usually it is a bit of both.
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021, 3:12 PM Alex Balashov via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
On Sep 27, 2021, at 6:04 PM, Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901 < anakaoka at trinet-hi.com> wrote:
How do cell phone companies port instantly? I can walk into Verizon and they can port my Tmobile number to them. Or are they all sharing a back end?
It?s got to be something like that. Whatever it is, VoIP ITSPs don?t have it through their intermediated supply chain of ULCs.
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There is literally no TECHNICAL reason they can't. I've helped out other local carriers with some problems where we took over numbers in less than 10 minutes between wireline carriers and just set up forwarding for their customers til the outage was resolved. I moved 200 of my own numbers from another local carrier to my own network with 5 minutes notice coordinating the port over ICQ back when that was a thing. It's been possible for years, people just don't often do it. If both carriers log into LTI at the same time and build the subscription and the matching release, the number can be ported instantly. I pulled an old cell phone like that by logging into syniverse, submitting a WLSR to Sprint, and immediately built the subscription, they immediately matched it electronically, and I clicked activate and the number was on me, bam. The real issue is getting the losing carrier to remove the routes (or setting TAT triggers that do an LNP dip before terminating so the calls route correctly the second they're updated in NPAC) and if that is done, then you're good to go. If I was a company like thinq, I'd work with my partner carriers to let me move my numbers around between them quickly in a similar fashion to create a real differentiated product. -Paul
On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Balashov via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
No, nobody can ?flash-port? numbers to a different LRN like that. Anyone who claims this has a bridge to sell you.
This capability is indeed limited to SMS/800.
On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
It would be interesting if they could do DID re-routing quickly
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Local number porting seems like a lot of effort and a bit tedious from a failover/redundancy perspective. We tell our (mostly contact centre) clients to use TFNs if they want to have redundancy. We run a multi-carrier TFN setup and can shift traffic from carrier to carrier pretty quickly without having to coordinate with anyone. As long as SMS/800 is behaving... our NOC is in control. TFN rates have gone down sufficiently not to be a roadblock from a commercial perspective. [image: Star Telecom - Cloud Communications and Customer Experience Solutions] <https://www.startelecom.ca/> *Ivan Kovacevic* *Co-Founder and VP Client Services* On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 12:33 AM Paul Timmins <ptimmins at clearrate.com> wrote:
There is literally no TECHNICAL reason they can't. I've helped out other local carriers with some problems where we took over numbers in less than 10 minutes between wireline carriers and just set up forwarding for their customers til the outage was resolved. I moved 200 of my own numbers from another local carrier to my own network with 5 minutes notice coordinating the port over ICQ back when that was a thing. It's been possible for years, people just don't often do it.
If both carriers log into LTI at the same time and build the subscription and the matching release, the number can be ported instantly. I pulled an old cell phone like that by logging into syniverse, submitting a WLSR to Sprint, and immediately built the subscription, they immediately matched it electronically, and I clicked activate and the number was on me, bam.
The real issue is getting the losing carrier to remove the routes (or setting TAT triggers that do an LNP dip before terminating so the calls route correctly the second they're updated in NPAC) and if that is done, then you're good to go. If I was a company like thinq, I'd work with my partner carriers to let me move my numbers around between them quickly in a similar fashion to create a real differentiated product.
-Paul
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No, nobody can ?flash-port? numbers to a different LRN like that. Anyone who claims this has a bridge to sell you.
This capability is indeed limited to SMS/800.
On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
It would be interesting if they could do DID re-routing quickly
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If there is a DDOS like the one that is happening to Bandwidth, would Thinq even be able to port "internally"? Knowing Thinq uses Bandwidth and Inteliquent... Bandwidth said porting was disabled during the DDOS, so how would Thinq get them to port to Inteliquent (assuming the same coverage / cost)? Our ports take 9 working days, the losing carriers have days to respond. Thanks, Aryn Aryn Nakaoka anakaoka at trinet-hi.com Direct: 808.356.2901 518 Holokahana Lane Honolulu, Hi 96817 AlohaTone Mobile: https://youtu.be/PdUyuf0hTYY A Better Solution https://www.trinet-hi.com/abettersolution.pdf <https://www.trinet-hi.com/abettersolution.pdf> Aloha Tone PBX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96YWPY9wCeU CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments may be privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. Any disclosure, distribution or copying of this email or any attachments by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting this email and any attachments from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 6:35 PM Paul Timmins <ptimmins at clearrate.com> wrote:
There is literally no TECHNICAL reason they can't. I've helped out other local carriers with some problems where we took over numbers in less than 10 minutes between wireline carriers and just set up forwarding for their customers til the outage was resolved. I moved 200 of my own numbers from another local carrier to my own network with 5 minutes notice coordinating the port over ICQ back when that was a thing. It's been possible for years, people just don't often do it.
If both carriers log into LTI at the same time and build the subscription and the matching release, the number can be ported instantly. I pulled an old cell phone like that by logging into syniverse, submitting a WLSR to Sprint, and immediately built the subscription, they immediately matched it electronically, and I clicked activate and the number was on me, bam.
The real issue is getting the losing carrier to remove the routes (or setting TAT triggers that do an LNP dip before terminating so the calls route correctly the second they're updated in NPAC) and if that is done, then you're good to go. If I was a company like thinq, I'd work with my partner carriers to let me move my numbers around between them quickly in a similar fashion to create a real differentiated product.
-Paul
On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Balashov via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
No, nobody can ?flash-port? numbers to a different LRN like that. Anyone who claims this has a bridge to sell you.
This capability is indeed limited to SMS/800.
On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
It would be interesting if they could do DID re-routing quickly
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As long as they could reach the NPAC, they could port. Everything else is just formalities and details that are technically optional. From: Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901 <anakaoka at trinet-hi.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:52 PM To: Paul Timmins <ptimmins at clearrate.com> Cc: Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com>; VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] thinQ is making hay while Bandwidth is down If there is a DDOS like the one that is happening to Bandwidth, would Thinq even be able to port "internally"? Knowing Thinq uses Bandwidth and Inteliquent... Bandwidth said porting was disabled during the DDOS, so how would Thinq get them to port to Inteliquent (assuming the same coverage / cost)? Our ports take 9 working days, the losing carriers have days to respond. Thanks, Aryn Aryn Nakaoka anakaoka at trinet-hi.com<mailto:anakaoka at trinet-hi.com> Direct: 808.356.2901 518 Holokahana Lane Honolulu, Hi 96817 AlohaTone Mobile: https://youtu.be/PdUyuf0hTYY A Better Solution https://www.trinet-hi.com/abettersolution.pdf <https://www.trinet-hi.com/abettersolution.pdf> Aloha Tone PBX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96YWPY9wCeU CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments may be privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. Any disclosure, distribution or copying of this email or any attachments by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting this email and any attachments from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 6:35 PM Paul Timmins <ptimmins at clearrate.com<mailto:ptimmins at clearrate.com>> wrote: There is literally no TECHNICAL reason they can't. I've helped out other local carriers with some problems where we took over numbers in less than 10 minutes between wireline carriers and just set up forwarding for their customers til the outage was resolved. I moved 200 of my own numbers from another local carrier to my own network with 5 minutes notice coordinating the port over ICQ back when that was a thing. It's been possible for years, people just don't often do it. If both carriers log into LTI at the same time and build the subscription and the matching release, the number can be ported instantly. I pulled an old cell phone like that by logging into syniverse, submitting a WLSR to Sprint, and immediately built the subscription, they immediately matched it electronically, and I clicked activate and the number was on me, bam. The real issue is getting the losing carrier to remove the routes (or setting TAT triggers that do an LNP dip before terminating so the calls route correctly the second they're updated in NPAC) and if that is done, then you're good to go. If I was a company like thinq, I'd work with my partner carriers to let me move my numbers around between them quickly in a similar fashion to create a real differentiated product. -Paul
On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Balashov via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> wrote:
No, nobody can ?flash-port? numbers to a different LRN like that. Anyone who claims this has a bridge to sell you.
This capability is indeed limited to SMS/800.
On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com<mailto:caalvarez at gmail.com>> wrote:
It would be interesting if they could do DID re-routing quickly
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Will the past few days end up re-writing history as far as how we treat single-homing phone numbers? And/or make instant porting more common? Maybe a BGP-like way to migrate them quickly? On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 9:35 PM Paul Timmins <ptimmins at clearrate.com> wrote:
There is literally no TECHNICAL reason they can't. I've helped out other local carriers with some problems where we took over numbers in less than 10 minutes between wireline carriers and just set up forwarding for their customers til the outage was resolved. I moved 200 of my own numbers from another local carrier to my own network with 5 minutes notice coordinating the port over ICQ back when that was a thing. It's been possible for years, people just don't often do it.
If both carriers log into LTI at the same time and build the subscription and the matching release, the number can be ported instantly. I pulled an old cell phone like that by logging into syniverse, submitting a WLSR to Sprint, and immediately built the subscription, they immediately matched it electronically, and I clicked activate and the number was on me, bam.
The real issue is getting the losing carrier to remove the routes (or setting TAT triggers that do an LNP dip before terminating so the calls route correctly the second they're updated in NPAC) and if that is done, then you're good to go. If I was a company like thinq, I'd work with my partner carriers to let me move my numbers around between them quickly in a similar fashion to create a real differentiated product.
-Paul
On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Balashov via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
No, nobody can ?flash-port? numbers to a different LRN like that. Anyone who claims this has a bridge to sell you.
This capability is indeed limited to SMS/800.
On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
It would be interesting if they could do DID re-routing quickly
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The portion of their offering I always liked the most was their LCR as a service. Their orig product is mostly uninspired. Theyve had their own outages which were platform related, everyone has them. I usually would think players in this space would have a little more class than to try kicking someone when down. Every provider has bad days. On 9/27/2021 2:47 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
They have felt to me to be a bit aggressive and not fully genuine on their sales efforts lately.? We have used them for about 20% of our traffic for years, and seem pretty reliable.
It would be interesting if they could do DID re-routing?quickly, but as far as I've heard, that's TF only.
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 2:38 PM Darren via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org <mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> wrote:
Yeah that?s kindof piggybacking disingenuously to consumers who don?t know any better, yikes.
*From: *VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org <mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org>> on behalf of Ryan Delgrosso <ryandelgrosso at gmail.com <mailto:ryandelgrosso at gmail.com>> *Date: *Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:32 PM *To: *"voiceops at voiceops.org <mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>" <voiceops at voiceops.org <mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> *Subject: *Re: [VoiceOps] thinQ is making hay while Bandwidth is down
I believe they are referring to TF and Termination
DID's are going to be orphaned.
On 9/27/2021 2:17 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
This seems to be a bit disingenuous.? I don't believe that they can multi-home or move DIDs quickly?? Or am I wrong? Could they actually solve the current?problem?? DIDs are the only issue; we simply moved outbound.
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*Hi Carlos,*
Carrier outages happen, but with thinQ by Commio they won't leave Initiatel LLC without voice service.
Outages are in the past with thinQ! <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...>
With our voice disaster recovery solution, you can enable a dynamic failover solution to easily route calls around an outage, no matter what the cause, if disaster strikes.
?Our multi-vendor solution gives you instant options for service in a disaster
?Turn on all 5 toll-free and 40 domestic carriers to power custom routing so disaster recovery is fast & easy
?Get back up and running FAST and power better performance at lower costs
You can stop worrying about outages with thinQ?s predictive intelligence for call routing. Our innovative disaster recovery technology allows you to reroute domestic and toll-free calls during carrier and power outages so you can always be connected with your customers.
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It would be great if that LCR actually saved you any money, but it's just a gimmick. During the Bandwidth fiasco we sent all our term to them, and the cost feels like it's doubled or more. I didn't do a real numbers check, just a glance tells me it's at least double the Bandwidth rate. On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 3:16 PM Ryan Delgrosso <ryandelgrosso at gmail.com> wrote:
The portion of their offering I always liked the most was their LCR as a service. Their orig product is mostly uninspired.
Theyve had their own outages which were platform related, everyone has them. I usually would think players in this space would have a little more class than to try kicking someone when down. Every provider has bad days. On 9/27/2021 2:47 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
They have felt to me to be a bit aggressive and not fully genuine on their sales efforts lately. We have used them for about 20% of our traffic for years, and seem pretty reliable.
It would be interesting if they could do DID re-routing quickly, but as far as I've heard, that's TF only.
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 2:38 PM Darren via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
Yeah that?s kindof piggybacking disingenuously to consumers who don?t know any better, yikes.
*From: *VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Ryan Delgrosso <ryandelgrosso at gmail.com> *Date: *Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:32 PM *To: *"voiceops at voiceops.org" <voiceops at voiceops.org> *Subject: *Re: [VoiceOps] thinQ is making hay while Bandwidth is down
I believe they are referring to TF and Termination
DID's are going to be orphaned.
On 9/27/2021 2:17 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
This seems to be a bit disingenuous. I don't believe that they can multi-home or move DIDs quickly? Or am I wrong? Could they actually solve the current problem? DIDs are the only issue; we simply moved outbound.
[image: Better voice service from thinQ by Commio] <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...>
*Hi Carlos,*
Carrier outages happen, but with thinQ by Commio they won't leave Initiatel LLC without voice service.
[image: Outages are in the past with thinQ!] <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...>
With our voice disaster recovery solution, you can enable a dynamic failover solution to easily route calls around an outage, no matter what the cause, if disaster strikes.
? Our multi-vendor solution gives you instant options for service in a disaster
? Turn on all 5 toll-free and 40 domestic carriers to power custom routing so disaster recovery is fast & easy
? Get back up and running FAST and power better performance at lower costs
You can stop worrying about outages with thinQ?s predictive intelligence for call routing. Our innovative disaster recovery technology allows you to reroute domestic and toll-free calls during carrier and power outages so you can always be connected with your customers.
[image: BETTER VOICE IS HERE] <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...>
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They?ve indicated to me in the past it was origination. But I?ve not ever pursued solid follow up with them. Thanks David ________________________________ David Wessell Owner t: 828-575-0030 ex 101 e: david at ringfree.com | w: ringfree.com From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Ryan Delgrosso <ryandelgrosso at gmail.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 5:28:37 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] thinQ is making hay while Bandwidth is down I believe they are referring to TF and Termination DID's are going to be orphaned. On 9/27/2021 2:17 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: This seems to be a bit disingenuous. I don't believe that they can multi-home or move DIDs quickly? Or am I wrong? Could they actually solve the current problem? DIDs are the only issue; we simply moved outbound. [Better voice service from thinQ by Commio]<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Femail.thin...> Hi Carlos, Carrier outages happen, but with thinQ by Commio they won't leave Initiatel LLC without voice service. [Outages are in the past with thinQ!]<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Femail.thin...> With our voice disaster recovery solution, you can enable a dynamic failover solution to easily route calls around an outage, no matter what the cause, if disaster strikes. * Our multi-vendor solution gives you instant options for service in a disaster * Turn on all 5 toll-free and 40 domestic carriers to power custom routing so disaster recovery is fast & easy * Get back up and running FAST and power better performance at lower costs You can stop worrying about outages with thinQ?s predictive intelligence for call routing. Our innovative disaster recovery technology allows you to reroute domestic and toll-free calls during carrier and power outages so you can always be connected with your customers. [BETTER VOICE IS HERE]<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Femail.thin...> _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpuck.nether.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fvoiceops&data=04%7C01%7Cdavid%40ringfree.com%7C3f7414bef1b046fcb19808d981fe786f%7C6f154aaa818d462e821b5e3b01e19dad%7C0%7C0%7C637683752229326638%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Llq0ZahauoRPZsoIXX1ksQthHeWO9WHfolugEgRqO6E%3D&reserved=0>
If it?s orig then I?ll be impressed ? would love to know more about that! From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of David Wessell <david at ringfree.com> Date: Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:45 PM To: Ryan Delgrosso <ryandelgrosso at gmail.com>, "voiceops at voiceops.org" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] thinQ is making hay while Bandwidth is down They?ve indicated to me in the past it was origination. But I?ve not ever pursued solid follow up with them. Thanks David [Ringfree website]<https://ringfree.com/> David Wessell? Owner t: 828-575-0030 ex 101<tel:828-575-0030%20ex%20101> e: david at ringfree.com<mailto:david at ringfree.com> | w: ringfree.com<https://ringfree.com/> ________________________________ From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Ryan Delgrosso <ryandelgrosso at gmail.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 5:28:37 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] thinQ is making hay while Bandwidth is down I believe they are referring to TF and Termination DID's are going to be orphaned. On 9/27/2021 2:17 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: This seems to be a bit disingenuous. I don't believe that they can multi-home or move DIDs quickly? Or am I wrong? Could they actually solve the current problem? DIDs are the only issue; we simply moved outbound. [Better voice service from thinQ by Commio]<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Femail.thin...> Hi Carlos, Carrier outages happen, but with thinQ by Commio they won't leave Initiatel LLC without voice service. [Outages are in the past with thinQ!]<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Femail.thin...> With our voice disaster recovery solution, you can enable a dynamic failover solution to easily route calls around an outage, no matter what the cause, if disaster strikes. ? Our multi-vendor solution gives you instant options for service in a disaster ? Turn on all 5 toll-free and 40 domestic carriers to power custom routing so disaster recovery is fast & easy ? Get back up and running FAST and power better performance at lower costs You can stop worrying about outages with thinQ?s predictive intelligence for call routing. Our innovative disaster recovery technology allows you to reroute domestic and toll-free calls during carrier and power outages so you can always be connected with your customers. [BETTER VOICE IS HERE]<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Femail.thin...> _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps at voiceops.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpuck.nether.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fvoiceops&data=04%7C01%7Cdavid%40ringfree.com%7C3f7414bef1b046fcb19808d981fe786f%7C6f154aaa818d462e821b5e3b01e19dad%7C0%7C0%7C637683752229326638%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Llq0ZahauoRPZsoIXX1ksQthHeWO9WHfolugEgRqO6E%3D&reserved=0>
On 9/27/21 14:17, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
This seems to be a bit disingenuous.? I don't believe that they can multi-home or move DIDs quickly?? Or am I wrong?? Could they actually solve the current?problem?? DIDs are the only issue; we simply moved outbound.
This looks like a marketing piece that doesn't address the current problem at all. They're saying that once they have the DID, they can dynamically route it to you to work around *your* power outage, disaster, etc. TTBOMK, moving a DID from one carrier to another still requires going through the port process, which is neither quick nor always trouble-free. -- Jay Hennigan - jay at west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV
Link to the marketing? My POC at Thinq said they could internally port US Local DIDs between three carriers. I challenged him on that too. He said he'd get back to me on the how. Before November 2020, we could complete a Port In through Bandwidth from most wireless carriers and a few bonded carriers in 2 hours. Then they blocked that and forced it to be 24 hours minimum. We can trigger the port early the day of the FOC, but it still killed our speed. I know it is technically possible to port in 2 hours because I have completed 223 Port Ins between February 20, 2018 and November 19, 2020 all in 2 hours or less. Since Nov 20, 2020, we've completed only 33 Ports in less than 24 hours, the fastest was 12.5 hours, average is 18 hours. Beckman On Mon, 27 Sep 2021, Jay Hennigan via VoiceOps wrote:
On 9/27/21 14:17, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
This seems to be a bit disingenuous.? I don't believe that they can multi-home or move DIDs quickly?? Or am I wrong?? Could they actually solve the current?problem?? DIDs are the only issue; we simply moved outbound.
This looks like a marketing piece that doesn't address the current problem at all.
They're saying that once they have the DID, they can dynamically route it to you to work around *your* power outage, disaster, etc.
TTBOMK, moving a DID from one carrier to another still requires going through the port process, which is neither quick nor always trouble-free.
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On 9/27/21 19:05, Peter Beckman wrote:
Link to the marketing?
The original post in this thread quoting Thinq's claims reads like an advertisement. This was sent to the list by Carlos Alvarez on 9/27 at 14:17 PDT. He said that it seemed disingenuous, and I agree.
My POC at Thinq said they could internally port US Local DIDs between three carriers. I challenged him on that too. He said he'd get back to me on the how.
Unless the other two are wholly owned subsidiaries of Thinq or some specialty carrier with which Thinq has a relationship, I wouldn't hold my breath. On a non-trivial percentage of our ports we'll run into issues with the losing carrier throwing cruft at the process that can slow it down by days. -- Jay Hennigan - jay at west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV
On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, Jay Hennigan wrote:
Unless the other two are wholly owned subsidiaries of Thinq or some specialty carrier with which Thinq has a relationship, I wouldn't hold my breath. On a non-trivial percentage of our ports we'll run into issues with the losing carrier throwing cruft at the process that can slow it down by days.
Same. Though if I have business relationships with the three carriers, and I proactively ensure that I understand each of their porting process steps and proactively ensure that I have the correct CSR data for every DID I have with each carrier, AND each of those carriers have automated systems for Port Out approval, it could be accomplished. As I mentioned before, we were doing 2 hour submission to completion Port Ins with Bandwidth from wireless and bonded carriers. Until BW forced it to be a minimum of 24 hours, sadly. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beckman at angryox.com https://www.angryox.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I spoke to someone today at Thinq who said the same, and when I challenged them on HOW they move DIDs between vendors so quickly, he couldn't answer that. Bonded carriers through (Syniverse, Neustar?) with API integration can likely move numbers in a matter of hours, maybe less than an hour, and maybe the "multi-vendor" solution they have, they've whittled it down to minutes, since they have access to the approvals or at least the CSR data since they are in-bed with the three vendors. This would still require the losing vendor to be able to positively respond to the Port Out request, and if they had technical issues, that might not work. Beckman On Mon, 27 Sep 2021, Carlos Alvarez wrote:
This seems to be a bit disingenuous. I don't believe that they can multi-home or move DIDs quickly? Or am I wrong? Could they actually solve the current problem? DIDs are the only issue; we simply moved outbound.
[image: Better voice service from thinQ by Commio] <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...> Hi Carlos,
Carrier outages happen, but with thinQ by Commio they won't leave Initiatel LLC without voice service.
[image: Outages are in the past with thinQ!] <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...>
With our voice disaster recovery solution, you can enable a dynamic failover solution to easily route calls around an outage, no matter what the cause, if disaster strikes.
- Our multi-vendor solution gives you instant options for service in a disaster - Turn on all 5 toll-free and 40 domestic carriers to power custom routing so disaster recovery is fast & easy - Get back up and running FAST and power better performance at lower costs
You can stop worrying about outages with thinQ?s predictive intelligence for call routing. Our innovative disaster recovery technology allows you to reroute domestic and toll-free calls during carrier and power outages so you can always be connected with your customers. [image: BETTER VOICE IS HERE] <https://email.thinq.com/e3t/Btc/2L+113/cPRJF04/VVzYWT85FM-MW1SPJNT8nY0xfW31N...>
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