Is there any legal definition as to what constitutes local calls? I know that Local Calling Guide reports on what the ILECs treat as local, but I don't know if there's anything that is requiring me to have the same definition. My operating theory is that if it's on the same tandem switch, I might as well treat it as local. For reporting purposes (state and federal) would local calls be treated as intrastate calls when not otherwise broken out? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Local calling areas are defined in the CLEC tariff filed with the state. Most CLECs mirror the ILEC local calling areas. Check your tariffs to see what the PUC approved you to do. On 12/8/20 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Is there any legal definition as to what constitutes local calls?
I know that Local Calling Guide reports on what the ILECs treat as local, but I don't know if there's anything that is requiring me to have the same definition.
My operating theory is that if it's on the same tandem switch, I might as well treat it as local.
For reporting purposes (state and federal) would local calls be treated as intrastate calls when not otherwise broken out?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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Its safe to treat anything in the same tandem area as local. No one can bill end office switching now so having it associated with the correct tandem is the only thing that matters anyways. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2020-12-08 11:52 AM, Paul Timmins wrote:
Local calling areas are defined in the CLEC tariff filed with the state. Most CLECs mirror the ILEC local calling areas. Check your tariffs to see what the PUC approved you to do.
On 12/8/20 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Is there any legal definition as to what constitutes local calls?
I know that Local Calling Guide reports on what the ILECs treat as local, but I don't know if there's anything that is requiring me to have the same definition.
My operating theory is that if it's on the same tandem switch, I might as well treat it as local.
For reporting purposes (state and federal) would local calls be treated as intrastate calls when not otherwise broken out?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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On 12/8/20 1:48 PM, Mary Lou Carey wrote:
No one can bill end office switching now
When and how did this come to pass? It was my understanding that the problem with taking a more expansive view of LCAs than the ILEC led precisely to this problem; you'd be paying switched access on calls to end-offices whose V&H relative to the originating switch is not within the ILEC's LCA. -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC Tel: +1-706-510-6800 / +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
It was done in a series of phases that ended in July 2018. See the link below: https://www.dwt.com/insights/2011/11/intercarrier-compensation-reformsphased... MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2020-12-08 02:56 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:
On 12/8/20 1:48 PM, Mary Lou Carey wrote:
No one can bill end office switching now
When and how did this come to pass?
It was my understanding that the problem with taking a more expansive view of LCAs than the ILEC led precisely to this problem; you'd be paying switched access on calls to end-offices whose V&H relative to the originating switch is not within the ILEC's LCA.
In article <1038462169.17163.1607448901620.JavaMail.mhammett at Thunderfuck2> you write:
My operating theory is that if it's on the same tandem switch, I might as well treat it as local.
If only. At my rural ILEC, the next town up is a remote from the switch in my town but for historical reasons they are not local to each other so at least for people who haven't switched to bundled plans, calls between them take a 150 mile detour to the tandem and back. That particular tandem also covers places 250 miles from here. I guess it's nice if that's local. R's, John
Our LATA is only about 80 miles wide. There are two tandems and we're based out of the same CO as the larger of the two. Ours has the biggest towns and something like 75% of all of the rate centers. It's just a cross connect away. :-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Levine" <johnl at taugh.com> To: voiceops at voiceops.org Cc: voiceops at ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 10:25:27 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Definition: Local Calls In article <1038462169.17163.1607448901620.JavaMail.mhammett at Thunderfuck2> you write:
My operating theory is that if it's on the same tandem switch, I might as well treat it as local.
If only. At my rural ILEC, the next town up is a remote from the switch in my town but for historical reasons they are not local to each other so at least for people who haven't switched to bundled plans, calls between them take a 150 mile detour to the tandem and back. That particular tandem also covers places 250 miles from here. I guess it's nice if that's local. R's, John
That's a good point. It depends on whether you're in a metropolitan area or a very rural area where there's no local tandem. In most LATAs where AT&T and Verizon are the main ILEC, the small ILECs will use the ILEC tandem to pick up traffic. But there are a lot of the rural areas (especially in the old Qwest territory) where the larger towns are so much farther apart that they didn't put in local tandems. So you had to trunk everything directly to the end office or through an access tandem if you had SPOP. If the small ILECs had multiple end offices, they might have even put in their own tandem for just their area. So you definitely need to check out the routing information in the LERG before you make any assumptions about what rate centers are encompassed in a tandem area. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2020-12-09 10:25 AM, John Levine wrote:
In article <1038462169.17163.1607448901620.JavaMail.mhammett at Thunderfuck2> you write:
My operating theory is that if it's on the same tandem switch, I might as well treat it as local.
If only. At my rural ILEC, the next town up is a remote from the switch in my town but for historical reasons they are not local to each other so at least for people who haven't switched to bundled plans, calls between them take a 150 mile detour to the tandem and back.
That particular tandem also covers places 250 miles from here. I guess it's nice if that's local.
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