SIP Trunk service for 706-778
On 08/20/2012 10:03 PM, Mike Ray, MBA, CNE, CTE wrote:
In my experience, they do act like yokels and do whatever they can to forestall CLECs. This doesn't surprise me at all. At least in FL, they will refuse to meet you at the tandem even though they are interconnected there, and will require local interconnection trunks in the rural town you want to serve. They know that most of us don't have facilities there, and this is a very effective barrier to entry. We took it all the way to the PSC and lost in one rural Florida town.
So good luck. Unless you've got some sort of facilities in place in this little town, this is probably gonna hurt.
I thought they run their own tandems and expect you to pick up the traffic there? Though, they might have more exacting DEOT requirements for origination than the RBOCs do. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/
Isn't there anything crafty you can do like order 10 POTS to the location. Wait 30 days and port the numbers to cell phones. ILEC no longer controls the numbers. Find a CLEC in the state who has a switch and port the numbers to them. They provide the SIP trunk. Order a quality internet connection to the site in question and bring up the SIP trunk with a CLEC. You have 10 numbers to work with. Or maybe I am being a bit naive here. matt On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Alex Balashov wrote:
On 08/20/2012 10:03 PM, Mike Ray, MBA, CNE, CTE wrote:
In my experience, they do act like yokels and do whatever they can to forestall CLECs. This doesn't surprise me at all. At least in FL, they will refuse to meet you at the tandem even though they are interconnected there, and will require local interconnection trunks in the rural town you want to serve. They know that most of us don't have facilities there, and this is a very effective barrier to entry. We took it all the way to the PSC and lost in one rural Florida town.
So good luck. Unless you've got some sort of facilities in place in this little town, this is probably gonna hurt.
I thought they run their own tandems and expect you to pick up the traffic there? Though, they might have more exacting DEOT requirements for origination than the RBOCs do.
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
On 08/20/2012 11:03 PM, Matt Yaklin wrote:
Isn't there anything crafty you can do like order 10 POTS to the location. Wait 30 days and port the numbers to cell phones. ILEC no longer controls the numbers.
Find a CLEC in the state who has a switch and port the numbers to them. They provide the SIP trunk.
Order a quality internet connection to the site in question and bring up the SIP trunk with a CLEC. You have 10 numbers to work with.
Well, the issue is: port these numbers out to whom? It would have to be someone who is interconnected with Windstream [in a way serviceable for that particular area, as per Windstream], and that's exactly what's missing here. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/
You're also presuming cooperation form Windstream in porting the numbers out. I wouldn't count on it. When it comes to porting, they are total local yokels. On 08/20/2012 11:05 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:
On 08/20/2012 11:03 PM, Matt Yaklin wrote:
Isn't there anything crafty you can do like order 10 POTS to the location. Wait 30 days and port the numbers to cell phones. ILEC no longer controls the numbers.
Find a CLEC in the state who has a switch and port the numbers to them. They provide the SIP trunk.
Order a quality internet connection to the site in question and bring up the SIP trunk with a CLEC. You have 10 numbers to work with.
Well, the issue is: port these numbers out to whom? It would have to be someone who is interconnected with Windstream [in a way serviceable for that particular area, as per Windstream], and that's exactly what's missing here.
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Alex Balashov wrote:
On 08/20/2012 11:03 PM, Matt Yaklin wrote:
Isn't there anything crafty you can do like order 10 POTS to the location. Wait 30 days and port the numbers to cell phones. ILEC no longer controls the numbers.
Find a CLEC in the state who has a switch and port the numbers to them. They provide the SIP trunk.
Order a quality internet connection to the site in question and bring up the SIP trunk with a CLEC. You have 10 numbers to work with.
Well, the issue is: port these numbers out to whom? It would have to be someone who is interconnected with Windstream [in a way serviceable for that particular area, as per Windstream], and that's exactly what's missing here.
I figured someone in this list from telcodata could swing it. There are cell phone companies and a couple of CLECs like ALEC LLC (IBBS.com I think they are). And Windstream cannot possibly block a port to a cell phone company. I though the FCC solved that issue years ago. Right? http://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-ratecenter-state?ratece... But I am way up here in NH with a single area code for the whole state. Things are simpler here. matt
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/
On 08/20/2012 11:10 PM, Matt Yaklin wrote:
I figured someone in this list from telcodata could swing it. There are cell phone companies and a couple of CLECs like ALEC LLC (IBBS.com I think they are).
And Windstream cannot possibly block a port to a cell phone company. I though the FCC solved that issue years ago. Right?
http://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-ratecenter-state?ratece...
But I am way up here in NH with a single area code for the whole state. Things are simpler here.
Portability happens within rate centres, not area codes. In many places in the country, those usefully overlap, but not all. For instance, here in Georgia, the NPA 706 is split across three geographically disparate regions, two of them in LATA 438, and one of them in LATA 442 (Augusta). Thus, in order to be able to port a number to a different carrier, the receiving carrier needs to be interconnected in the right LATA, to the right ILEC, and have trunks on that interconnect to the right tandem to which the switch(es) in that rate centre are homed. It's not just a matter of operating in the same state, or in the same NPA. -- Alex -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Alex Balashov wrote:
On 08/20/2012 11:10 PM, Matt Yaklin wrote:
I figured someone in this list from telcodata could swing it. There are cell phone companies and a couple of CLECs like ALEC LLC (IBBS.com I think they are).
And Windstream cannot possibly block a port to a cell phone company. I though the FCC solved that issue years ago. Right?
http://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-ratecenter-state?ratece...
But I am way up here in NH with a single area code for the whole state. Things are simpler here.
Portability happens within rate centres, not area codes. In many places in the country, those usefully overlap, but not all.
For instance, here in Georgia, the NPA 706 is split across three geographically disparate regions, two of them in LATA 438, and one of them in LATA 442 (Augusta).
Thus, in order to be able to port a number to a different carrier, the receiving carrier needs to be interconnected in the right LATA, to the right ILEC, and have trunks on that interconnect to the right tandem to which the switch(es) in that rate centre are homed. It's not just a matter of operating in the same state, or in the same NPA.
Thanks for the explanation. So there might be a small chance a cell phone company may go through all the trouble but not a CLEC which would find it unprofitable? Here in NH if you have ORIG/TERM/IXC/911 trunks from FP in Manchester and Dover you are all set. Plus some SS7 and LD trunks. Only a few handful of small independent ILECs left here which serve such a tiny amount of people we probably never ran into this problem yet. The whole yokel thing. But I would have to talk to my boss to get a clearer picture of what problems we would run into trying to get a SIP trunk into their territory. matt
-- Alex
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/
On 08/20/2012 11:26 PM, Matt Yaklin wrote:
So there might be a small chance a cell phone company may go through all the trouble but not a CLEC which would find it unprofitable?
The number can probably be ported to a mainstream mobile carrier, but it would be an awful lot of trouble to do so as an end-user, hard to do without a contract, might involve multiple lines for multiple numbers, etc.
Only a few handful of small independent ILECs left here which serve such a tiny amount of people we probably never ran into this problem yet. The whole yokel thing. But I would have to talk to my boss to get a clearer picture of what problems we would run into trying to get a SIP trunk into their territory.
Yep, this is one of those yokel edge cases, and Windstream are not even the worst I've seen, by far. -- Alex -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/
On 08/20/2012 11:26 PM, Matt Yaklin wrote:
So there might be a small chance a cell phone company may go through all the trouble but not a CLEC which would find it unprofitable?
Ah, sorry, forgot to answer your other question: the issue in this case is that Windstream seems to be finding ways to uh, discourage CLECs from setting up in that rate centre, not that it's unprofitable per se. It may be unprofitable in the sense that none of the large CLECs see fighting Windstream for a small, low-density rural market as worth the costs of legal action, etc. And that is one of the reasons why rural markets historically have less competition -- and often, no competition. -- Alex -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/
Did you notice that ATT, VZW and T-Mobile don't port there? Only Sprint. You could order a Sprint SIP Trunk there. Regards, Peter @ RAD-INFO
Setup an origination SIP trunk with Paetec/Windstream then "port" the numbers. On 8/20/2012 10:10 PM, Matt Yaklin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Alex Balashov wrote:
On 08/20/2012 11:03 PM, Matt Yaklin wrote:
Isn't there anything crafty you can do like order 10 POTS to the location. Wait 30 days and port the numbers to cell phones. ILEC no longer controls the numbers.
Find a CLEC in the state who has a switch and port the numbers to them. They provide the SIP trunk.
Order a quality internet connection to the site in question and bring up the SIP trunk with a CLEC. You have 10 numbers to work with.
Well, the issue is: port these numbers out to whom? It would have to be someone who is interconnected with Windstream [in a way serviceable for that particular area, as per Windstream], and that's exactly what's missing here.
I figured someone in this list from telcodata could swing it. There are cell phone companies and a couple of CLECs like ALEC LLC (IBBS.com I think they are).
And Windstream cannot possibly block a port to a cell phone company. I though the FCC solved that issue years ago. Right?
http://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-ratecenter-state?ratece...
But I am way up here in NH with a single area code for the whole state. Things are simpler here.
matt
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/
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Paetec does not offer service in the area. Evidently the local company still has enough autonomy to decide what they want and don't want in their service area... On Monday 20 August 2012 23:17:00 Lee Riemer wrote:
Setup an origination SIP trunk with Paetec/Windstream then "port" the numbers.
On 8/20/2012 10:10 PM, Matt Yaklin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Alex Balashov wrote:
On 08/20/2012 11:03 PM, Matt Yaklin wrote:
Isn't there anything crafty you can do like order 10 POTS to the location. Wait 30 days and port the numbers to cell phones. ILEC no longer controls the numbers.
Find a CLEC in the state who has a switch and port the numbers to them. They provide the SIP trunk.
Order a quality internet connection to the site in question and bring up the SIP trunk with a CLEC. You have 10 numbers to work with.
Well, the issue is: port these numbers out to whom? It would have to be someone who is interconnected with Windstream [in a way serviceable for that particular area, as per Windstream], and that's exactly what's missing here.
I figured someone in this list from telcodata could swing it. There are cell phone companies and a couple of CLECs like ALEC LLC (IBBS.com I think they are).
And Windstream cannot possibly block a port to a cell phone company. I though the FCC solved that issue years ago. Right?
http://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-ratecenter-state?ratece...
But I am way up here in NH with a single area code for the whole state. Things are simpler here.
matt
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At least the state of Iowa, there is a 6-month + 6-month window for an ILEC to respond to interconnection requests by a CLEC. In our situation, we were the ILEC that didn't want our competitor in our HQ town, but the rules said we had to comply, so after doing our legal due diligence, we did. Frank From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Rob Hutton Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:16 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP Trunk service for 706-778 Paetec does not offer service in the area. Evidently the local company still has enough autonomy to decide what they want and don't want in their service area... On Monday 20 August 2012 23:17:00 Lee Riemer wrote:
Setup an origination SIP trunk with Paetec/Windstream then "port" the
numbers.
On 8/20/2012 10:10 PM, Matt Yaklin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Alex Balashov wrote:
On 08/20/2012 11:03 PM, Matt Yaklin wrote:
Isn't there anything crafty you can do like order 10
POTS to the location. Wait 30 days and port the numbers
to cell phones. ILEC no longer controls the numbers.
Find a CLEC in the state who has a switch and port the
numbers to them. They provide the SIP trunk.
Order a quality internet connection to the site in question
and bring up the SIP trunk with a CLEC. You have 10 numbers
to work with.
Well, the issue is: port these numbers out to whom? It would have to
be someone who is interconnected with Windstream [in a way
serviceable for that particular area, as per Windstream], and that's
exactly what's missing here.
I figured someone in this list from telcodata could swing it.
There are cell phone companies and a couple of CLECs like ALEC LLC
(IBBS.com I think they are).
And Windstream cannot possibly block a port to a cell phone company.
I though the FCC solved that issue years ago. Right?
http://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-ratecenter-state?ratece nter=CORNELIA <http://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-ratecenter-state?ratec enter=CORNELIA&state=GA> &state=GA
But I am way up here in NH with a single area code for the whole
state. Things are simpler here.
matt
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