I have never heard of this. What LATA are you in? Can you give an example NPA where you know this to be the case? As a consumer, if I were subscribed to ILEC without bundled long-distance, I would find such an arrangement both confusing and infuriating. Especially with near-universal mandatory 10-digit dialing. So you're saying that I can dial two numbers within the same area code the exact same way, but one destination is charged as a local call and the other as long-distance? What if I fat-fingered something while dialing (intending to dial a local destination but being off by one digit in the NXX) & the call connected? What if I was simply unaware that a given destination was long-distance? This sounds like a terrible idea all the way around. Was this also the case back when 7-digit dialing was still possible? You could reach a long-distance destination within your same NPA by only dialing 7 digits? -- Nathan -----Original Message----- From: James Cloos [mailto:cloos at jhcloos.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:01 AM To: VoiceOps Cc: Nathan Anderson Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] [External] Re: 9-8-8 dialing when an outside line access code (9) is being used NA> This convention is handy for those who still get charged for NA> long-distance, as you can't accidentally dial long-distance unknowingly NA> and get surprised by extra charges: except thsat it is 10 for the same npa and 11 for other npas, irreguardless of whether the call costs anything. at least in the npas w/ which i am familiar. so the 10 instead of 11 provides no value. -JimC -- James Cloos <cloos at jhcloos.com> OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6