Are CABS BDT files a licensed commercial format, or am I likely to be able to get an LLM or other local scripting to handle them? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange DNA Communications
They're a product of the ATIS Open (hah!) Billing Forum. https://atis.org/committees-forums/obf/documents/ Paul Timmins paul@timmins.net Ham License: KC8QAY Committee Chair, Pack 1589 MBC (Archery, Aviation, Digital Technology, Electronics, Motorboating, Radio) District Scoutbook Helpdesk, North Star GLFSC I used to be an Eagle (C2-784-18-1)
On Oct 13, 2025, at 08:35, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote:
Are CABS BDT files a licensed commercial format, or am I likely to be able to get an LLM or other local scripting to handle them?
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$5k for dues. Let's see if Copilot can just figure it out. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange DNA Communications ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Timmins" <paul@timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops@ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops@voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2025 2:30:14 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] CABS BDT Files They're a product of the ATIS Open (hah!) Billing Forum. https://atis.org/committees-forums/obf/documents/ Paul Timmins paul@timmins.net Ham License: KC8QAY Committee Chair, Pack 1589 MBC (Archery, Aviation, Digital Technology, Electronics, Motorboating, Radio) District Scoutbook Helpdesk, North Star GLFSC I used to be an Eagle (C2-784-18-1) On Oct 13, 2025, at 08:35, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote: Are CABS BDT files a licensed commercial format, or am I likely to be able to get an LLM or other local scripting to handle them? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange DNA Communications _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list -- VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://lists.voiceops.org/postorius/lists/voiceops.voiceops.org/ To unsubscribe send an email to voiceops-leave@voiceops.org
This might be helpful, for whatever it's worth. https://clec.att.com/clec_documents//unrestr/hb/13%20State/200//3-3_CABS%20B... -jbn On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 3:27 PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote:
$5k for dues. Let's see if Copilot can just figure it out. ;-)
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
DNA Communications
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Timmins" <paul@timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops@ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops@voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2025 2:30:14 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] CABS BDT Files
They're a product of the ATIS Open (hah!) Billing Forum.
https://atis.org/committees-forums/obf/documents/
Paul Timmins paul@timmins.net Ham License: KC8QAY Committee Chair, Pack 1589 MBC (Archery, Aviation, Digital Technology, Electronics, Motorboating, Radio) District Scoutbook Helpdesk, North Star GLFSC I used to be an Eagle (C2-784-18-1)
On Oct 13, 2025, at 08:35, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote:
Are CABS BDT files a licensed commercial format, or am I likely to be able to get an LLM or other local scripting to handle them?
-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
DNA Communications
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And yes, I know it doesn't contain the file format - but sometimes just having the correct definitions helps. I do think the file format's published _somewhere_ ... but digging it out is another matter. -jbn On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 4:08 PM Justin B Newman <justin@ejtown.org> wrote:
This might be helpful, for whatever it's worth.
https://clec.att.com/clec_documents//unrestr/hb/13%20State/200//3-3_CABS%20B...
-jbn
On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 3:27 PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote:
$5k for dues. Let's see if Copilot can just figure it out. ;-)
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
DNA Communications
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Timmins" <paul@timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops@ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops@voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2025 2:30:14 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] CABS BDT Files
They're a product of the ATIS Open (hah!) Billing Forum.
https://atis.org/committees-forums/obf/documents/
Paul Timmins paul@timmins.net Ham License: KC8QAY Committee Chair, Pack 1589 MBC (Archery, Aviation, Digital Technology, Electronics, Motorboating, Radio) District Scoutbook Helpdesk, North Star GLFSC I used to be an Eagle (C2-784-18-1)
On Oct 13, 2025, at 08:35, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote:
Are CABS BDT files a licensed commercial format, or am I likely to be able to get an LLM or other local scripting to handle them?
-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
DNA Communications
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It's probably a binary format where you'll need to know the byte off-sets for each field. I haven't done it for this format, but we looked at doing it internally for another C15 (Nortel/Genband/Ribbon) file and decided against it. Turns out they had a free (if you have full support) program that would decode them. I've seen the AT&T Cabs files and never found an easy way to decode them. They used to ship us a CD with the files, but someone lost the program CD to use to decode it. On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 5:37 PM Justin B Newman via VoiceOps < voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote:
And yes, I know it doesn't contain the file format - but sometimes just having the correct definitions helps. I do think the file format's published _somewhere_ ... but digging it out is another matter.
-jbn
On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 4:08 PM Justin B Newman <justin@ejtown.org> wrote:
This might be helpful, for whatever it's worth.
https://clec.att.com/clec_documents//unrestr/hb/13%20State/200//3-3_CABS%20B...
-jbn
On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 3:27 PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote:
$5k for dues. Let's see if Copilot can just figure it out. ;-)
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
DNA Communications
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Timmins" <paul@timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops@ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops@voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2025 2:30:14 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] CABS BDT Files
They're a product of the ATIS Open (hah!) Billing Forum.
https://atis.org/committees-forums/obf/documents/
Paul Timmins paul@timmins.net Ham License: KC8QAY Committee Chair, Pack 1589 MBC (Archery, Aviation, Digital Technology, Electronics, Motorboating,
Radio)
District Scoutbook Helpdesk, North Star GLFSC I used to be an Eagle (C2-784-18-1)
On Oct 13, 2025, at 08:35, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps < voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote:
Are CABS BDT files a licensed commercial format, or am I likely to be able to get an LLM or other local scripting to handle them?
-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
DNA Communications
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If the format you get is binary, it's in EBCDIC. Use a character set converter like iconv in linux iconv -f EBCDIC -t ASCII filename.in > filename.out From there, I wrote a decoder because it's a fixed length column decode and most of the fields are obvious at least in the 102025 or whatever files. I'd have to ask permission to share what i have with no warranty since it's work for hire for my employer, I could ask that favor but if you saw it in ASCII i bet you could do it yourself. -Paul Paul Timmins paul@timmins.net Ham License: KC8QAY Committee Chair, Pack 1589 MBC (Archery, Aviation, Digital Technology, Electronics, Motorboating, Radio) District Scoutbook Helpdesk, North Star GLFSC I used to be an Eagle (C2-784-18-1)
On Oct 13, 2025, at 18:28, Shawn L via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote:
It's probably a binary format where you'll need to know the byte off-sets for each field. I haven't done it for this format, but we looked at doing it internally for another C15 (Nortel/Genband/Ribbon) file and decided against it. Turns out they had a free (if you have full support) program that would decode them. I've seen the AT&T Cabs files and never found an easy way to decode them. They used to ship us a CD with the files, but someone lost the program CD to use to decode it.
On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 5:37 PM Justin B Newman via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org <mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>> wrote:
And yes, I know it doesn't contain the file format - but sometimes just having the correct definitions helps. I do think the file format's published _somewhere_ ... but digging it out is another matter.
-jbn
On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 4:08 PM Justin B Newman <justin@ejtown.org <mailto:justin@ejtown.org>> wrote:
This might be helpful, for whatever it's worth.
https://clec.att.com/clec_documents//unrestr/hb/13%20State/200//3-3_CABS%20B...
-jbn
On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 3:27 PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org <mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>> wrote:
$5k for dues. Let's see if Copilot can just figure it out. ;-)
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
DNA Communications
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Timmins" <paul@timmins.net <mailto:paul@timmins.net>> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops@ics-il.net <mailto:voiceops@ics-il.net>> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops@voiceops.org <mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2025 2:30:14 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] CABS BDT Files
They're a product of the ATIS Open (hah!) Billing Forum.
https://atis.org/committees-forums/obf/documents/
Paul Timmins paul@timmins.net <mailto:paul@timmins.net> Ham License: KC8QAY Committee Chair, Pack 1589 MBC (Archery, Aviation, Digital Technology, Electronics, Motorboating, Radio) District Scoutbook Helpdesk, North Star GLFSC I used to be an Eagle (C2-784-18-1)
On Oct 13, 2025, at 08:35, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org <mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>> wrote:
Are CABS BDT files a licensed commercial format, or am I likely to be able to get an LLM or other local scripting to handle them?
-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
DNA Communications
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