Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft
We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for less than $40 k. It will do SIP Trunking and Hosted. Automatically shut off customers if they don?t pay you. This is a system you would own in your own Colo, not a white label. John cid:7A1F90D5-2114-4F17-B9C6-0230EB9EAD47 at hsd1.pa.comcast.net. 322 Mall Blvd., # 190 Monroeville, Pa. 15146 Phone 412.307.3600 VFax 412.380.8701 ?People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day.? ? A.A. Milne From: Max Clark [mailto:max.clark at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:37 PM To: John Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft That's excellent. You should tell Colton. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2014, at 5:34 PM, John <telecom7 at gmail.com> wrote: We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for less than $40 k On Jul 31, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Max Clark <max.clark at gmail.com> wrote: Colton, Are you on a hosted/white label Broadsoft installation or do you own your own license? I'm curious because I assume that you have a significant investment in your current platform and dumping that investment would require an even larger investment in another platform (not counting the training, migration, etc...). Metaswitch for example is a fantastic platform, but I don't know of any installation running it for less than $250k. I get the idea of switching from Broadsoft to have service differentiation, but I'd counter with two points. 1) Everyone is using Broadsoft because it works, and 2) if you switch to another licensed platform you'd still be competing with other providers using that platform. So if you are really looking for a unique one of a kind platform you'd probably be better served by rolling your own and partnering/paying Sprint for their WMI platform for your mobile needs. Max On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote: So to sum it up, so far I have been recommended the following besides Broadsoft: Metaswitch Genband Alianza NetSapiens XCast Labs EnSwitch Is there anyone else that to add the this list? The must be service provider grade offering the multi tenant functionality, and management features. On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Tim Jackson <jackson.tim at gmail.com> wrote: As far as tricks with a cell client, Accession from Metaswitch is pretty slick there.. No real SMS integration yet (but you can easily add this since Accession supports XMPP).. On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
To be a little more specific, at minimum the platform should have the following: A device manager for phones for automated provisioning and firmware updates Integrated SMS Functionality Integrate Cell Phone functionality. I guess an app that allows use of your cell phone as an extension, and not just a soft client. Any platform can use Bria! All the standard features that Broadsoft at least provides. Advanced fraud detection!
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and there are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers that offer Broadsoft services to.
We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us. The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down. However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a smartphone.
What commercial solutions are there?
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Asterisk is a fine solution if you have the ability to support it yourself - its Open Source - which means you own the support and any product development.? Also it depends on your service set - if you are hosted only then that's one set of issues - but if you also want to offer SIP trunking with any advanced features then Asterisk is not the right move. The BroadCloud service is white label and can support all the advanced services provided by BroadSoft - understand if you want to fully integrate with a wireless carrier be prepared to move to an MVNO arrangement - you need access to their switch system - its not simply features available on BSFT. Everything Colton mentioned about the white label service he is currently on is available on BroadSoft form a feature perspective - there is NO lack of features on BroadSoft - just on the vendor providing his white label BSFT service. I recommend either a direct inquiry to BroadSoft / BroadCloud or to the wholesaler.? The reason BroadSoft purchase HIPCOM was to enable its customers to move faster with new services. alex hardie | ahardie at bellsouth.net | +1 404 229 7635 On Friday, August 1, 2014 7:48 AM, John Curry <John at InteleChoice.us> wrote: We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for less than $40 k. It will do SIP Trunking and Hosted. Automatically shut off customers if they don?t pay you. This is a system you would own in your own Colo, not a white label. ? ? John 322 Mall Blvd., # 190 Monroeville, Pa. 15146 Phone ?????? ?412.307.3600 VFax ? 412.380.8701 ? ?People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day.? ? A.A. Milne ? From:Max Clark [mailto:max.clark at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:37 PM To: John Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft ? That's excellent. You should tell Colton.? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2014, at 5:34 PM, John <telecom7 at gmail.com> wrote: We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for less than $40 k
On Jul 31, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Max Clark <max.clark at gmail.com> wrote: Colton,
? Are you on a hosted/white label Broadsoft installation or do you own your own license? I'm curious because I assume that you have a significant investment in your current platform and dumping that investment would require an even larger investment in another platform (not counting the training, migration, etc...). Metaswitch for example is a fantastic platform, but I don't know of any installation running it for less than $250k. ? I get the idea of switching from Broadsoft to have service differentiation, but I'd counter with two points. 1) Everyone is using Broadsoft because it works, and 2) if you switch to another licensed platform you'd still be competing with other providers using that platform. ? So if you are really looking for a unique one of a kind platform you'd probably be better served by rolling your own and partnering/paying Sprint for their WMI platform for your mobile needs. ? Max ? ? ? On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote: So to sum it up, so far I have been recommended the following besides Broadsoft: ? Metaswitch Genband Alianza NetSapiens XCast Labs EnSwitch ? Is there anyone else that to add the this list? The must be service provider grade offering the multi tenant?functionality, and?management?features.? ? ? On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Tim Jackson <jackson.tim at gmail.com> wrote: As far as tricks with a cell client, Accession from Metaswitch is pretty slick there..
No real SMS integration yet (but you can easily add this since Accession supports XMPP)..
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
To be a little more specific, at minimum the platform should have the following: A device manager for phones for automated provisioning and firmware updates Integrated SMS Functionality Integrate Cell Phone functionality. I guess an app that allows use of your cell phone as an extension, and not just a soft client. Any platform can use Bria! All the standard features that Broadsoft at least provides. Advanced fraud detection!
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and there are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers that offer Broadsoft services to.
We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us. The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down. However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a smartphone.
What commercial solutions are there?
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Everyone's welcome to their own opinion. I would venture to say 99% of VoIP is on some type of asterisk platform. John InteleChoice.us 322 Mall Blvd 190 Monroeville, Pa 15146 Ofc 412.307.3600 eFax 412.380.8701
On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 AM, Alexander Hardie <ahardie at bellsouth.net> wrote:
Asterisk is a fine solution if you have the ability to support it yourself - its Open Source - which means you own the support and any product development.
Also it depends on your service set - if you are hosted only then that's one set of issues - but if you also want to offer SIP trunking with any advanced features then Asterisk is not the right move.
The BroadCloud service is white label and can support all the advanced services provided by BroadSoft - understand if you want to fully integrate with a wireless carrier be prepared to move to an MVNO arrangement - you need access to their switch system - its not simply features available on BSFT.
Everything Colton mentioned about the white label service he is currently on is available on BroadSoft form a feature perspective - there is NO lack of features on BroadSoft - just on the vendor providing his white label BSFT service.
I recommend either a direct inquiry to BroadSoft / BroadCloud or to the wholesaler. The reason BroadSoft purchase HIPCOM was to enable its customers to move faster with new services.
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On Friday, August 1, 2014 7:48 AM, John Curry <John at InteleChoice.us> wrote:
We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for less than $40 k. It will do SIP Trunking and Hosted. Automatically shut off customers if they don?t pay you. This is a system you would own in your own Colo, not a white label.
John <image003.png>
322 Mall Blvd., # 190 Monroeville, Pa. 15146 Phone 412.307.3600 VFax 412.380.8701
?People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day.? ? A.A. Milne
From: Max Clark [mailto:max.clark at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:37 PM To: John Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft
That's excellent. You should tell Colton.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 31, 2014, at 5:34 PM, John <telecom7 at gmail.com> wrote: We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for less than $40 k
On Jul 31, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Max Clark <max.clark at gmail.com> wrote: Colton,
Are you on a hosted/white label Broadsoft installation or do you own your own license? I'm curious because I assume that you have a significant investment in your current platform and dumping that investment would require an even larger investment in another platform (not counting the training, migration, etc...). Metaswitch for example is a fantastic platform, but I don't know of any installation running it for less than $250k.
I get the idea of switching from Broadsoft to have service differentiation, but I'd counter with two points. 1) Everyone is using Broadsoft because it works, and 2) if you switch to another licensed platform you'd still be competing with other providers using that platform.
So if you are really looking for a unique one of a kind platform you'd probably be better served by rolling your own and partnering/paying Sprint for their WMI platform for your mobile needs.
Max
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote: So to sum it up, so far I have been recommended the following besides Broadsoft:
Metaswitch Genband Alianza NetSapiens XCast Labs EnSwitch
Is there anyone else that to add the this list? The must be service provider grade offering the multi tenant functionality, and management features.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Tim Jackson <jackson.tim at gmail.com> wrote: As far as tricks with a cell client, Accession from Metaswitch is pretty slick there..
No real SMS integration yet (but you can easily add this since Accession supports XMPP)..
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
To be a little more specific, at minimum the platform should have the following: A device manager for phones for automated provisioning and firmware updates Integrated SMS Functionality Integrate Cell Phone functionality. I guess an app that allows use of your cell phone as an extension, and not just a soft client. Any platform can use Bria! All the standard features that Broadsoft at least provides. Advanced fraud detection!
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and there are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers that offer Broadsoft services to.
We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us. The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down. However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a smartphone.
What commercial solutions are there?
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On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, John at intelechoice.us wrote:
Everyone's welcome to their own opinion. I would venture to say 99% of VoIP is on some type of asterisk platform.
John InteleChoice.us <http://InteleChoice.us> 322 Mall Blvd 190 Monroeville, Pa 15146
Well, RC and 8x8 are built off Asterisk or FreeSwitch and they account for a lot of noise, but not a lot of lines. The largest CLEC in the US is actually Comcast. Comcast has the most VoIP and it comes off Broadsoft, SBCs and ALU. Level3 is the VoIP back-end for a number of ITSP's and it is Sonus and their own softswitch. (L3 built one of the first softswitches and owns a number of patents on it. Sprint, VZ, ATT, 8x8 all own patents for VoIP). XO is atop 10 SIP provider and again BSFT. VZ's SIP and VCE offering is on BSFT. Cable's voice is all VoIP, but none of the top 8 MSO's use Asterisk. The top ILECs all use Meta or BSFT or ALU. Wind, EarthLink, Alaska are all on Meta. Cellular calls are VoIP (and will soon be VoLTE off of ... BSFT). Yes there are a couple of thousand (IOCs, MSOs, ITSPs, cellco) VoIP providers in the US and a majority of the ITSP market is Asterisk, but a majority of VoIP lines is not Asterisk. I don't work for BSFT. I consult to a number of regional and larger CLECs on HPBX and other product launches. Regards, Peter @ RAD-INFO
While I wouldn't say a "majority" of calls go through Asterisk, it's important to note that just because L3 uses something else, that doesn't mean the call doesn't also go through some ITSP's Asterisk server. On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Peter Rad. <peter at 4isps.com> wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, John at intelechoice.us wrote:
Everyone's welcome to their own opinion. I would venture to say 99% of VoIP is on some type of asterisk platform.
John InteleChoice.us 322 Mall Blvd 190 Monroeville, Pa 15146
Well, RC and 8x8 are built off Asterisk or FreeSwitch and they account for a lot of noise, but not a lot of lines. The largest CLEC in the US is actually Comcast. Comcast has the most VoIP and it comes off Broadsoft, SBCs and ALU. Level3 is the VoIP back-end for a number of ITSP's and it is Sonus and their own softswitch. (L3 built one of the first softswitches and owns a number of patents on it. Sprint, VZ, ATT, 8x8 all own patents for VoIP). XO is atop 10 SIP provider and again BSFT. VZ's SIP and VCE offering is on BSFT. Cable's voice is all VoIP, but none of the top 8 MSO's use Asterisk. The top ILECs all use Meta or BSFT or ALU. Wind, EarthLink, Alaska are all on Meta. Cellular calls are VoIP (and will soon be VoLTE off of ... BSFT).
Yes there are a couple of thousand (IOCs, MSOs, ITSPs, cellco) VoIP providers in the US and a majority of the ITSP market is Asterisk, but a majority of VoIP lines is not Asterisk.
I don't work for BSFT. I consult to a number of regional and larger CLECs on HPBX and other product launches.
Regards,
Peter @ RAD-INFO
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If anything asterisk is whats allowed the growth of voip into small business and enterprise markets. Before that the bare to entry in a voip system was far beyond what most companies where willing to pay for a pbx. What really does suck tho is all the ILECS still require T1?s as a form of local interconnect. I?ve just finished turning up 2 lata?s and still turning up ds3?s and muxing them down to t1?s. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / carlos at race.com / http://www.race.com On 8/1/14, 8:14 AM, "Carlos Alvarez" <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
While I wouldn't say a "majority" of calls go through Asterisk, it's important to note that just because L3 uses something else, that doesn't mean the call doesn't also go through some ITSP's Asterisk server.
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Peter Rad. <peter at 4isps.com> wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, John at intelechoice.us wrote:
Everyone's welcome to their own opinion. I would venture to say 99% of VoIP is on some type of asterisk platform.
John InteleChoice.us 322 Mall Blvd 190 Monroeville, Pa 15146
Well, RC and 8x8 are built off Asterisk or FreeSwitch and they account for a lot of noise, but not a lot of lines. The largest CLEC in the US is actually Comcast. Comcast has the most VoIP and it comes off Broadsoft, SBCs and ALU. Level3 is the VoIP back-end for a number of ITSP's and it is Sonus and their own softswitch. (L3 built one of the first softswitches and owns a number of patents on it. Sprint, VZ, ATT, 8x8 all own patents for VoIP). XO is atop 10 SIP provider and again BSFT. VZ's SIP and VCE offering is on BSFT. Cable's voice is all VoIP, but none of the top 8 MSO's use Asterisk. The top ILECs all use Meta or BSFT or ALU. Wind, EarthLink, Alaska are all on Meta. Cellular calls are VoIP (and will soon be VoLTE off of ... BSFT).
Yes there are a couple of thousand (IOCs, MSOs, ITSPs, cellco) VoIP providers in the US and a majority of the ITSP market is Asterisk, but a majority of VoIP lines is not Asterisk.
I don't work for BSFT. I consult to a number of regional and larger CLECs on HPBX and other product launches.
Regards,
Peter @ RAD-INFO
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Alex, I completely agree with you. Asterisk is a fine solution if you want to build and manage it yourself. We tried a couple of open source projects at first, and I will never go back. I agree that Broadsoft does have the features I am looking for its just that our wholesaler hasn't implemented them, and maybe never will. So just to confirm BroadCloud is Broadsoft's own white labeled, hosted, Broadsoft offering? We won't have to purchase any hardware or software to make this solution work, and its sold monthly per seat I assume? Can you bring your own minutes and numbers with this service? Any idea on monthly minimums and set up fees? Are there such thing as Metaswitch white label wholesalers? I know there are tons of Broadsoft wholesales, but I haven't heard on any metaswitch wholesalers. How does Metaswitch compare to Broadsoft feature wise? Our billing system has direct integration with Metaswitch, and will soon have direct integration with Broadsoft by end of year. So I think sticking with one of these two would probably be ideal for us. On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Alexander Hardie <ahardie at bellsouth.net> wrote:
Asterisk is a fine solution if you have the ability to support it yourself - its Open Source - which means you own the support and any product development.
Also it depends on your service set - if you are hosted only then that's one set of issues - but if you also want to offer SIP trunking with any advanced features then Asterisk is not the right move.
The BroadCloud service is white label and can support all the advanced services provided by BroadSoft - understand if you want to fully integrate with a wireless carrier be prepared to move to an MVNO arrangement - you need access to their switch system - its not simply features available on BSFT.
Everything Colton mentioned about the white label service he is currently on is available on BroadSoft form a feature perspective - there is NO lack of features on BroadSoft - just on the vendor providing his white label BSFT service.
I recommend either a direct inquiry to BroadSoft / BroadCloud or to the wholesaler. The reason BroadSoft purchase HIPCOM was to enable its customers to move faster with new services.
alex hardie | ahardie at bellsouth.net | +1 404 229 7635
On Friday, August 1, 2014 7:48 AM, John Curry <John at InteleChoice.us> wrote:
We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for less than $40 k. It will do SIP Trunking and Hosted. Automatically shut off customers if they don?t pay you. This is a system you would own in your own Colo, not a white label.
John [image: cid:7A1F90D5-2114-4F17-B9C6-0230EB9EAD47 at hsd1.pa.comcast.net.]
322 Mall Blvd., # 190 Monroeville, Pa. 15146 Phone 412.307.3600 VFax 412.380.8701
?*People say nothing is impossible*, but I do nothing every day.? ? A.A. Milne
*From:* Max Clark [mailto:max.clark at gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:37 PM *To:* John *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft
That's excellent. You should tell Colton.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 31, 2014, at 5:34 PM, John <telecom7 at gmail.com> wrote:
We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for less than $40 k
On Jul 31, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Max Clark <max.clark at gmail.com> wrote:
Colton,
Are you on a hosted/white label Broadsoft installation or do you own your own license? I'm curious because I assume that you have a significant investment in your current platform and dumping that investment would require an even larger investment in another platform (not counting the training, migration, etc...). Metaswitch for example is a fantastic platform, but I don't know of any installation running it for less than $250k.
I get the idea of switching from Broadsoft to have service differentiation, but I'd counter with two points. 1) Everyone is using Broadsoft because it works, and 2) if you switch to another licensed platform you'd still be competing with other providers using that platform.
So if you are really looking for a unique one of a kind platform you'd probably be better served by rolling your own and partnering/paying Sprint for their WMI platform for your mobile needs.
Max
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote: So to sum it up, so far I have been recommended the following besides Broadsoft:
Metaswitch Genband *Alianza* *NetSapiens* *XCast Labs* *EnSwitch*
*Is there anyone else that to add the this list? The must be service provider grade offering the multi tenant functionality, and management features. *
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Tim Jackson <jackson.tim at gmail.com> wrote: As far as tricks with a cell client, Accession from Metaswitch is pretty slick there..
No real SMS integration yet (but you can easily add this since Accession supports XMPP)..
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
To be a little more specific, at minimum the platform should have the following: A device manager for phones for automated provisioning and firmware updates Integrated SMS Functionality Integrate Cell Phone functionality. I guess an app that allows use of your cell phone as an extension, and not just a soft client. Any platform can use Bria! All the standard features that Broadsoft at least provides. Advanced fraud detection!
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that
it
just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and there are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers that offer Broadsoft services to.
We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us. The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down. However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a smartphone.
What commercial solutions are there?
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On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com> wrote:
So just to confirm BroadCloud is Broadsoft's own white labeled, hosted, Broadsoft offering? We won't have to purchase any hardware or software to make this solution work, and its sold monthly per seat I assume? Can you bring your own minutes and numbers with this service? Any idea on monthly minimums and set up fees?
Are there such thing as Metaswitch white label wholesalers? I know there are tons of Broadsoft wholesales, but I haven't heard on any metaswitch wholesalers. How does Metaswitch compare to Broadsoft feature wise?
So yes and yes, you should be prepared for a mid 5 digit to low 6 digit implementation on either platform.
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