Phone Numbers with Calling Restrictions
Hi all, I am wondering if anyone has ever heard of DIDs that are restricted so that only intra-lata or local calls are allowed to complete. We have never come across this before, but we are being told that one of our DIDs falls into a block with these restrictions in New York. Any pointers to information about this would be appreciated. Thank you, Tim
The local 976 prefixes were designed to be local/intra-lata. There were also non-976 prefixes used in certain states for 976-like traffic. 410-915 is one of these in MD; it was designed for 976-like traffic that was "adult" in nature. And was pre-emptively blocked on all VZ land lines in Maryland. What's the NPA-NXX of the #? -jbn On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Tim Donahue <tim.donahue at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am wondering if anyone has ever heard of DIDs that are restricted so that only intra-lata or local calls are allowed to complete. We have never come across this before, but we are being told that one of our DIDs falls into a block with these restrictions in New York.
Any pointers to information about this would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Tim
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Tim, I think that Level 3 (and maybe XO) are offering products like the one you mentioned. Are you able to find out from your vendor? Regards. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Tim Donahue <tim.donahue at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am wondering if anyone has ever heard of DIDs that are restricted so that only intra-lata or local calls are allowed to complete. We have never come across this before, but we are being told that one of our DIDs falls into a block with these restrictions in New York.
Any pointers to information about this would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Tim
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To answer a question that you did not ask: Q: "Can I order a TN without a default LD PIC/CIC?" A: "Yes" See: http://www.ag.ny.gov/consumer-frauds/switching-or-canceling-your-long-distan... I am unaware of entire blocks of this kind of thing being forced onto subscribers, however. David From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Tim Donahue Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 08:17 To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Phone Numbers with Calling Restrictions Hi all, I am wondering if anyone has ever heard of DIDs that are restricted so that only intra-lata or local calls are allowed to complete. We have never come across this before, but we are being told that one of our DIDs falls into a block with these restrictions in New York. Any pointers to information about this would be appreciated. Thank you, Tim This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
David, Just to clarify, the question I was asking has no bearing on the LD calling for the number. This is a number that we ported to our service for a client, and calls were failing when the incoming call was a LD call. We found out while trying to diagnose the routing problem that there are dialing restrictions on the entire exchange to limit these numbers to intralata traffic only. After some off-list conversations, I did some digging into the documentation for the LERG and found that there is a "Special Service Code" that shows when a block of numbers has been designated for intralata calls only, and there are over 1400 blocks of numbers with these restrictions. Tim On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Hiers, David <David.Hiers at adp.com> wrote:
To answer a question that you did not ask:
Q: "Can I order a TN without a default LD PIC/CIC?"
A: "Yes"
See: http://www.ag.ny.gov/consumer-frauds/switching-or-canceling-your-long-distan...
I am unaware of entire blocks of this kind of thing being forced onto subscribers, however.
David
*From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] *On Behalf Of *Tim Donahue *Sent:* Wednesday, January 22, 2014 08:17 *To:* voiceops at voiceops.org *Subject:* [VoiceOps] Phone Numbers with Calling Restrictions
Hi all,
I am wondering if anyone has ever heard of DIDs that are restricted so that only intra-lata or local calls are allowed to complete. We have never come across this before, but we are being told that one of our DIDs falls into a block with these restrictions in New York.
Any pointers to information about this would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Tim
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Tim, But who exactly is dropping the call? The first ILEC who gets control of the call? A Level3 type company? I do not think any of my switches, broadsoft, asterisk, etc... would treat it any differently then all the other numbers that go through it. Just curious who is actually enforcing the special service code. matt at g4.net On Wed, 22 Jan 2014, Tim Donahue wrote:
David, Just to clarify, the question I was asking has no bearing on the LD calling for the number. ?This is a number that we ported to our service for a client, and calls were failing when the incoming call was a LD call. ?We found out while trying to diagnose the routing problem that there are dialing restrictions on the entire exchange to limit these numbers to intralata traffic only.
After some off-list conversations, I did some digging into the documentation for the LERG and found that there is a "Special Service Code" that shows when a block of numbers has been designated for intralata calls only, and there are over 1400 blocks of numbers with these restrictions.
Tim
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Hiers, David <David.Hiers at adp.com> wrote:
To answer a question that you did not ask:
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Q: "Can I order a TN without a default LD PIC/CIC?"
A: "Yes"
See: http://www.ag.ny.gov/consumer-frauds/switching-or-canceling-your-long-distan...
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I am unaware of entire blocks of this kind of thing being forced onto subscribers, however.
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From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Tim Donahue Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 08:17 To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Phone Numbers with Calling Restrictions
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I am wondering if anyone has ever heard of DIDs that are restricted so that only intra-lata or local calls are allowed to complete. ?We have never come across this before, but we are being told that one of our DIDs falls into a block with these restrictions in New York.
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Any pointers to information about this would be appreciated.
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Thank you,
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Tim
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On 1/22/14 10:13 AM, Tim Donahue wrote:
David,
Just to clarify, the question I was asking has no bearing on the LD calling for the number. This is a number that we ported to our service for a client, and calls were failing when the incoming call was a LD call. We found out while trying to diagnose the routing problem that there are dialing restrictions on the entire exchange to limit these numbers to intralata traffic only.
After some off-list conversations, I did some digging into the documentation for the LERG and found that there is a "Special Service Code" that shows when a block of numbers has been designated for intralata calls only, and there are over 1400 blocks of numbers with these restrictions.
It sounds like what Tim is reporting is not the inability to *place* LD calls from that TN, but the inability for those outside the LATA to complete calls to it. If this is the case, I have not run into such a situation before. I'm based in the Southern California area. When you ported the number, wass there an option to disable that special service code or is it universal to the block regardless of LRN? And, did the customer have the same issue before the port? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV
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From: "Jay Hennigan" <jay at west.net>
It sounds like what Tim is reporting is not the inability to *place* LD calls from that TN, but the inability for those outside the LATA to complete calls to it.
Correct; that's what he's got. Incoming calls to the DN from the PSTN block.
When you ported the number, wass there an option to disable that special service code or is it universal to the block regardless of LRN?
And, did the customer have the same issue before the port?
And -- and this is the kicker -- that block instruction is an Object. Who owns it, and where does it live? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra at baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra at baylink.com> wrote:
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From: "Jay Hennigan" <jay at west.net>
It sounds like what Tim is reporting is not the inability to *place* LD calls from that TN, but the inability for those outside the LATA to complete calls to it.
Correct; that's what he's got.
Incoming calls to the DN from the PSTN block.
When you ported the number, wass there an option to disable that special service code or is it universal to the block regardless of LRN?
And, did the customer have the same issue before the port?
And -- and this is the kicker -- that block instruction is an Object.
Who owns it, and where does it live?
We ported this to an underlying carrier (the guilty party shall remain nameless), and according to their engineers they have no option to disable the SSC. I actually have no idea if the call I am making is blocked at the local switch for my POTS test line, the LD carrier, or inbound to our ULC (or any other part of the path it might have crossed). This information was not provided to me in the response from our ULC, but it would be interesting to know for future reference where these blocks happen. Thank you all for your help, both on and off list. Tim Donahue
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