SIP routing engine - growing pains

David Hiers wrote:
Registration, routing, transcoding, and B2BUA are a fairly broad requirement set to shove into one box.
I realize this, thus transcoding and B2BUA aren't really a priority, but would be nice to have. Primarily looking at the routing piece where registration would be for the IAD devices and not individual phones. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV

Maybe just a Metaswitch call-agent (CA9020) would suffice. This would be without the MG2510 or 3510 media-gateway piece. Jay Hennigan wrote:
David Hiers wrote:
Registration, routing, transcoding, and B2BUA are a fairly broad requirement set to shove into one box.
I realize this, thus transcoding and B2BUA aren't really a priority, but would be nice to have. Primarily looking at the routing piece where registration would be for the IAD devices and not individual phones.
-- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops

I agree that Metaswitch might be a good option, especially if they don't want to or aren't allowed to build an open source solution. It also would unify (with the MG and possibly SG) the media portion of their network and help with some of the media management and interoperability issues. Biggest issue here is they said they didn't have enough budget for BroadSoft, so Metaswitch might be a bit too expensive as well. -Scott -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Lee Riemer Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 6:20 PM To: Jay Hennigan Cc: VoiceOps Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP routing engine - growing pains Maybe just a Metaswitch call-agent (CA9020) would suffice. This would be without the MG2510 or 3510 media-gateway piece. Jay Hennigan wrote:
David Hiers wrote:
Registration, routing, transcoding, and B2BUA are a fairly broad requirement set to shove into one box.
I realize this, thus transcoding and B2BUA aren't really a priority, but would be nice to have. Primarily looking at the routing piece where registration would be for the IAD devices and not individual phones.
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Thank you all for the feedback, lots of good input! Please see notes inline: Lee Riemer wrote:
Maybe just a Metaswitch call-agent (CA9020) would suffice. This would be without the MG2510 or 3510 media-gateway piece.
I wonder if Broadsoft is similarly modular where we could go with just the routing engine without the feature server? Scott Berkman wrote:
OpenSIPs/Kamillo/SER or whatever it's called today can do most of this out of the box. I think it's the best option to match your needs if you have the time and engineering to figure it out.
From there you can go to the Acme/Covergence SBC platforms, the lower end Covergence will run in a VM or on your own hardware, but can handle most of what you are looking for.
Are you sure that Convergence is still available? The convergence.com domain redirects to AcmePacket and I can't find any mention of it there. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV

Covergence has become part of the Acme BORG and have been fully assimilated with new product names. I believe that the only way you can investigate products that were once branded Covergence will be to contact an Acme sales rep. -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 12:18 PM To: 'VoiceOps' Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SIP routing engine - growing pains Thank you all for the feedback, lots of good input! Please see notes inline: Lee Riemer wrote:
Maybe just a Metaswitch call-agent (CA9020) would suffice. This would be without the MG2510 or 3510 media-gateway piece.
I wonder if Broadsoft is similarly modular where we could go with just the routing engine without the feature server? Scott Berkman wrote:
OpenSIPs/Kamillo/SER or whatever it's called today can do most of this out of the box. I think it's the best option to match your needs if you have the time and engineering to figure it out.
From there you can go to the Acme/Covergence SBC platforms, the lower end Covergence will run in a VM or on your own hardware, but can handle most of what you are looking for.
Are you sure that Convergence is still available? The convergence.com domain redirects to AcmePacket and I can't find any mention of it there. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.

See inline: Jay Hennigan wrote:
Thank you all for the feedback, lots of good input! Please see notes inline:
Lee Riemer wrote:
Maybe just a Metaswitch call-agent (CA9020) would suffice. This would be without the MG2510 or 3510 media-gateway piece.
I wonder if Broadsoft is similarly modular where we could go with just the routing engine without the feature server?
Scott Berkman wrote:
OpenSIPs/Kamillo/SER or whatever it's called today can do most of this out of the box. I think it's the best option to match your needs if you have the time and engineering to figure it out.
From there you can go to the Acme/Covergence SBC platforms, the lower end Covergence will run in a VM or on your own hardware, but can handle most of what you are looking for.
Are you sure that Convergence is still available? The convergence.com domain redirects to AcmePacket and I can't find any mention of it there. Acme has chimed in on this list about Convergence. It's bring-your-own-hardware and $3k for 25 sessions, with a max of 500. https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/voiceops/2009-October/000618.html
-- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops

On 03/11/2009, at 6:48 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote:
Thank you all for the feedback, lots of good input! Please see notes inline:
Lee Riemer wrote:
Maybe just a Metaswitch call-agent (CA9020) would suffice. This would be without the MG2510 or 3510 media-gateway piece.
I wonder if Broadsoft is similarly modular where we could go with just the routing engine without the feature server?
The BroadSoft Network Server is basically a Re-direct Server based on its configuration. I'm happy to be 'shot-down' but I would class it as a product to be used to front the BroadSoft Application Server clusters (Class5), but BroadSoft are not really a 'Class4' type product. For example on a NS you can't : Generate CDRs (its a redirect server) Have any concept of routing based on load (its a redirect server) BroadSoft do now support xen-virtualised deployment for small qtys (ie like... 15k ent/30k res subs) on a 2 or 3 boxes. Looking closely at your 'list' a pair of acme's in HA might probably do the trick, depending on how complex you wanted things. ACME's SBCs are a nice bit of kit to have in your infrastructure... Coupling some ACMEs (for edge) and OpenSER (for core) could give you some pretty sweet capabilities. Cheers, Peter
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