Interstate vs. intrastate rates
Traditionally, in our trunk routing and rating system, we deal with intra- and inter-state rates by mapping the ANI and the DNIS to regions, which in turn have prefix lists associated with them. If the regions match, it's an intrastate call. If they don't match, it's interstate. If one or both of them cannot be mapped to a region, our system allows you to choose default inter- or intra- treatment in such situations. Recently, a customer approached us with a rate deck, from one of their wholesale termination vendors, that had an additional "indeterminate" rate column on it. The rates didn't seem to differ substantially from the intrastate rates (which tend to be higher), but they were different. Is this a new trend? Is this something we need to support to be on the ball? Or is this an exotic vendor? Thanks, -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com>wrote:
Is this a new trend? Is this something we need to support to be on the ball? Or is this an exotic vendor?
Which vendor? We get a rate like that from 360/Zayo. I don't recall seeing it from anyone else. -- Carlos Alvarez TelEvolve 602-889-3003
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
Traditionally, in our trunk routing and rating system, we deal with intra- and inter-state rates by mapping the ANI and the DNIS to regions, which in turn have prefix lists associated with them. If the regions match, it's an intrastate call. If they don't match, it's interstate. If one or both of them cannot be mapped to a region, our system allows you to choose default inter- or intra- treatment in such situations.
Recently, a customer approached us with a rate deck, from one of their wholesale termination vendors, that had an additional "indeterminate" rate column on it. The rates didn't seem to differ substantially from the intrastate rates (which tend to be higher), but they were different.
Is this a new trend? Is this something we need to support to be on the ball? Or is this an exotic vendor?
Thanks,
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
We get this from many vendors. It used to be many vendors were considering them Intra calls, now many consider them Inter calls. However yes we do get some (2 or 3) that the Indeterminate is totally different than either one. Interestingly enough, I had one vendor specifically go through and ask which way we made our LCR decision on Indeterminate calls, when they only us gave one rate for Inter/Intra anyway. ~Jared Geiger
You really missed two categories and that is IntraLATA and InterLATA. You can have Intrastate/IntraLATA, Intrastate/InterLATA, Interstate/IntraLATA and Interstate/InterLATA. Are you sure they are not just compensating for one of those combinations? Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969 -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Jared Geiger Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 1:41 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Interstate vs. intrastate rates On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
Traditionally, in our trunk routing and rating system, we deal with intra- and inter-state rates by mapping the ANI and the DNIS to regions, which in turn have prefix lists associated with them. If the regions match, it's an intrastate call. If they don't match, it's interstate. If one or both of them cannot be mapped to a region, our system allows you to choose default inter- or intra- treatment in such situations.
Recently, a customer approached us with a rate deck, from one of their wholesale termination vendors, that had an additional "indeterminate" rate column on it. The rates didn't seem to differ substantially from the intrastate rates (which tend to be higher), but they were different.
Is this a new trend? Is this something we need to support to be on the ball? Or is this an exotic vendor?
Thanks,
-- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
We get this from many vendors. It used to be many vendors were considering them Intra calls, now many consider them Inter calls. However yes we do get some (2 or 3) that the Indeterminate is totally different than either one. Interestingly enough, I had one vendor specifically go through and ask which way we made our LCR decision on Indeterminate calls, when they only us gave one rate for Inter/Intra anyway. ~Jared Geiger _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
On 08/14/2012 03:18 PM, Mary Lou Carey wrote:
You really missed two categories and that is IntraLATA and InterLATA. You can have Intrastate/IntraLATA, Intrastate/InterLATA, Interstate/IntraLATA and Interstate/InterLATA. Are you sure they are not just compensating for one of those combinations?
I'm aware of those distinctions, but in the wholesale VoIP termination sector specifically, intra- and inter-state rate distinctions are the typical presentation on rate decks. The cost structure of the LECs internally with respect to LATAs is built into that somehow. As to whether they are compensating for one of those gaps, it's a distinct possibility. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/
Alex, From my experience the "indeterminate" rates are typically associated with the ability to determine if the origination point is a VoIP device or not. If the wholesale provider is unable to determine if the call was VoIP or TDM originated then the "indeterminate" rate would apply. Thanks, Heather Hodovance National Engineering & Technical Operations PE Voice Network Planning Office:720-267-7019 Mobile:303-885-8952 -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:23 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Interstate vs. intrastate rates Traditionally, in our trunk routing and rating system, we deal with intra- and inter-state rates by mapping the ANI and the DNIS to regions, which in turn have prefix lists associated with them. If the regions match, it's an intrastate call. If they don't match, it's interstate. If one or both of them cannot be mapped to a region, our system allows you to choose default inter- or intra- treatment in such situations. Recently, a customer approached us with a rate deck, from one of their wholesale termination vendors, that had an additional "indeterminate" rate column on it. The rates didn't seem to differ substantially from the intrastate rates (which tend to be higher), but they were different. Is this a new trend? Is this something we need to support to be on the ball? Or is this an exotic vendor? Thanks, -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
That makes sense.....although according to the new FCC guidelines every call should be routed with an ANI and JIP (LRN). Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting CLEC Consultant OFF: 615-791-9969 -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Hodovance, Heather Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:56 PM To: Alex Balashov; voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Interstate vs. intrastate rates Alex, From my experience the "indeterminate" rates are typically associated with the ability to determine if the origination point is a VoIP device or not. If the wholesale provider is unable to determine if the call was VoIP or TDM originated then the "indeterminate" rate would apply. Thanks, Heather Hodovance National Engineering & Technical Operations PE Voice Network Planning Office:720-267-7019 Mobile:303-885-8952 -----Original Message----- From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:23 PM To: voiceops at voiceops.org Subject: [VoiceOps] Interstate vs. intrastate rates Traditionally, in our trunk routing and rating system, we deal with intra- and inter-state rates by mapping the ANI and the DNIS to regions, which in turn have prefix lists associated with them. If the regions match, it's an intrastate call. If they don't match, it's interstate. If one or both of them cannot be mapped to a region, our system allows you to choose default inter- or intra- treatment in such situations. Recently, a customer approached us with a rate deck, from one of their wholesale termination vendors, that had an additional "indeterminate" rate column on it. The rates didn't seem to differ substantially from the intrastate rates (which tend to be higher), but they were different. Is this a new trend? Is this something we need to support to be on the ball? Or is this an exotic vendor? Thanks, -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 106 Decatur, GA 30030 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com/ _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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