We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space. I've had two major problems with them in six months. What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get. TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
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I don't see that happening anytime soon for the average teclo. We have SIP trunks to a lot of places, but I don't see the ISUP trunks going away any time soon. In fact, I just received an order to turn up an ISUP trunk last week. Wish we could get rid of them, but I don't see it happening. On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 2:54 PM Paul Timmins <paul at timmins.net> wrote:
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
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You can connect without SS7 through Inteliquent, Peerless, and Wide Voice but they aren't in the smaller LATAs so if you're covering a more rural area it won't help you. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2022-01-22 03:34 PM, Shawn L wrote:
I don't see that happening anytime soon for the average teclo. We have SIP trunks to a lot of places, but I don't see the ISUP trunks going away any time soon. In fact, I just received an order to turn up an ISUP trunk last week. Wish we could get rid of them, but I don't see it happening.
On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 2:54 PM Paul Timmins <paul at timmins.net> wrote:
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
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Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though. Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get. TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore. On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett < voiceops at ics-il.net > wrote: We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space. I've had two major problems with them in six months. What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net <mailto:voiceops at ics-il.net>> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
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Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network. On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett < voiceops at ics-il.net > wrote: Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though. Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Timmins" < paul at timmins.net > To: "Mike Hammett" < voiceops at ics-il.net > Cc: "voiceops" < voiceops at voiceops.org > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get. TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore. <blockquote> On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett < voiceops at ics-il.net > wrote: We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space. I've had two major problems with them in six months. What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops </blockquote>
The question was (essentially) about mitigating the impact of an SS7 outage (disguised as a question about who provides SS7 these days (nobody, if they can avoid it)). If the SS7 links go down and you only have a small amount of your traffic affected, I call that a huge win.
On Jan 23, 2022, at 6:33 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net <mailto:voiceops at ics-il.net>> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net <mailto:paul at timmins.net>> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net <mailto:voiceops at ics-il.net>> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org <mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net <mailto:voiceops at ics-il.net>> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
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When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
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I believe an important consideration in setting your network up this way is to weigh the overall spend once you factor in the price of incoming minutes. Our traditional TDM paths to the tandem get me inbound without a per minute cost, whereas working with a big IP carrier typically incurs per minute inbound costs. I feel your pain though... TNS has not been on top of SS7 issues for quite a while now. We take hits or lose A-links pretty regularly and they have yet to take that seriously. Dan -----Original Message----- From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> On Behalf Of Mary Lou Carey Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 11:42 PM To: Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: voiceops <voiceops at voiceops.org> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
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Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
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There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case you may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look at another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not sure if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else.
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them
via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
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Oh, sure. Pros and cons to everything. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case you may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look at another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not sure if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them
via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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Can you order SS7 links directly to the tandem (f-links?). Should just be a internal cross connect in the building. Then you build ISUP routes for the tandem point code over the direct links with backups over your current A- links On Jan 25, 2022, at 1:15 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote: ? CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Oh, sure. Pros and cons to everything. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ________________________________ From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case you may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look at another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not sure if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them
via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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Has anyone in here done this with Frontier? They're our ILEC and tandem operator. Is that aspect of Frontier reliable? Is that aspect of Frontier any less money than what I'd be paying now? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Crocker" <matthew at corp.crocker.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 1:01:44 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape Can you order SS7 links directly to the tandem (f-links?). Should just be a internal cross connect in the building. Then you build ISUP routes for the tandem point code over the direct links with backups over your current A- links On Jan 25, 2022, at 1:15 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote: <blockquote> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Oh, sure. Pros and cons to everything. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case you may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look at another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not sure if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them
via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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Apparently, Frontier just use TNS and Syniverse and don't have their own infrastructure. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> To: Matthew Crocker <matthew at corp.crocker.com> Cc: Mary Lou Carey <marylou at backuptelecom.com>, voiceops <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 15:22:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape Has anyone in here done this with Frontier? They're our ILEC and tandem operator. Is that aspect of Frontier reliable? Is that aspect of Frontier any less money than what I'd be paying now? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Crocker" <matthew at corp.crocker.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 1:01:44 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape Can you order SS7 links directly to the tandem (f-links?). Should just be a internal cross connect in the building. Then you build ISUP routes for the tandem point code over the direct links with backups over your current A- links On Jan 25, 2022, at 1:15 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote: <blockquote> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Oh, sure. Pros and cons to everything. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case you may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look at another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not sure if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them
via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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Anyone in here using Syniverse for these services and can speak to their reliability? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case you may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look at another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not sure if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them
via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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We use them at $DAYJOB. We've had no issues with syniverse themselves in the recent years while I've been at the company. But plenty of issues with the transport providers to reach them. Luckily never both at the same time. Including a number of instances of flapping. Note, these are A-Links over TDM, not SIGTRAN at this time. On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 4:22?PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
Anyone in here using Syniverse for these services and can speak to their reliability?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
------------------------------ *From: *"Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> *Cc: *"voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM *Subject: *Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case you may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look at another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not sure if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else.
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them
via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
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*nods* We take SIGTRAN over IPSec over the public Internet, then convert to SS7 over DS1s in some old Ciscos. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Olsen" <nick at 141networks.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:04:03 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape We use them at $DAYJOB. We've had no issues with syniverse themselves in the recent years while I've been at the company. But plenty of issues with the transport providers to reach them. Luckily never both at the same time. Including a number of instances of flapping. Note, these are A-Links over TDM, not SIGTRAN at this time. On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 4:22 PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org > wrote: Anyone in here using Syniverse for these services and can speak to their reliability? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: "Mary Lou Carey" < marylou at backuptelecom.com > To: "Mike Hammett" < voiceops at ics-il.net > Cc: "voiceops" < voiceops at voiceops.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case you may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look at another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not sure if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else.
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" < marylou at backuptelecom.com > To: "Mike Hammett" < voiceops at ics-il.net > Cc: "Paul Timmins" < paul at timmins.net >, "voiceops" < voiceops at voiceops.org > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them
via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Paul Timmins" < paul at timmins.net > To: "Mike Hammett" < voiceops at ics-il.net > Cc: "voiceops" < voiceops at voiceops.org > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett < voiceops at ics-il.net > wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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From: "Paul Timmins" < paul at timmins.net > To: "Mike Hammett" < voiceops at ics-il.net > Cc: "voiceops" < voiceops at voiceops.org > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett < voiceops at ics-il.net > wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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If you already have SS7 services via Sigtran then going into a Frontier area would just be a matter of adding another SS7 for that tandem. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2023-10-12 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* We take SIGTRAN over IPSec over the public Internet, then convert to SS7 over DS1s in some old Ciscos.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Nick Olsen" <nick at 141networks.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:04:03 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
We use them at $DAYJOB. We've had no issues with syniverse themselves in the recent years while I've been at the company. But plenty of issues with the transport providers to reach them. Luckily never both at the same time. Including a number of instances of flapping. Note, these are A-Links over TDM, not SIGTRAN at this time.
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 4:22?PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
Anyone in here using Syniverse for these services and can speak to their reliability?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case you may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look at another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not sure if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them
via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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Hi, I am joining this thread late, but, would anyone out there be interested in exchanging traffic with other carriers directly over SIP? The service would just look like a carrier, except it would know how to reach all other participants directly with SIP, bypassing TDM land, and enabling rich media as a fringe benefit, as media would be direct between endpoints. I have a proof of concept and am wondering who out there might be willing to do some testing. Email me directly if interested, to talk about your network and how something like this might fit in. Cheers, Jawaid On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 1:49?PM Mary Lou Carey via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
If you already have SS7 services via Sigtran then going into a Frontier area would just be a matter of adding another SS7 for that tandem.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2023-10-12 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* We take SIGTRAN over IPSec over the public Internet, then convert to SS7 over DS1s in some old Ciscos.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Nick Olsen" <nick at 141networks.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:04:03 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
We use them at $DAYJOB. We've had no issues with syniverse themselves in the recent years while I've been at the company. But plenty of issues with the transport providers to reach them. Luckily never both at the same time. Including a number of instances of flapping. Note, these are A-Links over TDM, not SIGTRAN at this time.
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 4:22?PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
Anyone in here using Syniverse for these services and can speak to their reliability?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case you may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look at another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not sure if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them
via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> wrote:
Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though.
Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1]
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [2]
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get.
TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore.
> On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> > wrote: > > We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand > them to be a big dog in that space. > > I've had two major problems with them in six months. > > What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant? > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com [1] > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com [2] > > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps at voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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This sounds like a carrier with a lot of SIP peers, which is already a thing that exists today. It also requires a lot of time and work to build, because you need some traffic for the other side to justify the cost to interconnect with you. On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:05?PM Jawaid Bazyar via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
Hi,
I am joining this thread late, but, would anyone out there be interested in exchanging traffic with other carriers directly over SIP?
The service would just look like a carrier, except it would know how to reach all other participants directly with SIP, bypassing TDM land, and enabling rich media as a fringe benefit, as media would be direct between endpoints.
I have a proof of concept and am wondering who out there might be willing to do some testing.
Email me directly if interested, to talk about your network and how something like this might fit in.
Cheers,
Jawaid
On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 1:49?PM Mary Lou Carey via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
If you already have SS7 services via Sigtran then going into a Frontier area would just be a matter of adding another SS7 for that tandem.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2023-10-12 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* We take SIGTRAN over IPSec over the public Internet, then convert to SS7 over DS1s in some old Ciscos.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Nick Olsen" <nick at 141networks.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:04:03 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
We use them at $DAYJOB. We've had no issues with syniverse themselves in the recent years while I've been at the company. But plenty of issues with the transport providers to reach them. Luckily never both at the same time. Including a number of instances of flapping. Note, these are A-Links over TDM, not SIGTRAN at this time.
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 4:22?PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
Anyone in here using Syniverse for these services and can speak to their reliability?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case you may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look at another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not sure if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them
via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to spread the costs over?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network.
> On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> > wrote: > > Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until > the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES > for expansion markets, though. > > Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as > the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large > customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for > failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the > operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 > diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call > path. > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com [1] > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com [2] > > ------------------------- > > From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> > To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> > Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM > Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape > > Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems > (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make > and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on > it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the > worse it's gonna get. > > TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore. > >> On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> >> wrote: >> >> We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand >> them to be a big dog in that space. >> >> I've had two major problems with them in six months. >> >> What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant? >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com [1] >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> http://www.midwest-ix.com [2] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> VoiceOps mailing list >> VoiceOps at voiceops.org >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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Hi Ross, This differs from the "ecosystem" models that Peerless, Intelepeer etc offer where you can "peer" with their other customers - i.e., you're still paying a per minute fee, you're just paying a slightly lower one. It would have a flat rate cost per "dip" or even a flat membership fee based on number of subscribers, instead of per-minute fees. But monetization is for a later time. This idea would not be a carrier - it would be a pure tandem, or "exchange point for SIP", more like how internet exchange points operate. And it would work across all carriers in the North American Numbering Plan. You would not have to be a subscriber of a particular reseller/carrier. Jawaid On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 5:08?PM Ross Tajvar <ross at tajvar.io> wrote:
This sounds like a carrier with a lot of SIP peers, which is already a thing that exists today. It also requires a lot of time and work to build, because you need some traffic for the other side to justify the cost to interconnect with you.
On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:05?PM Jawaid Bazyar via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
Hi,
I am joining this thread late, but, would anyone out there be interested in exchanging traffic with other carriers directly over SIP?
The service would just look like a carrier, except it would know how to reach all other participants directly with SIP, bypassing TDM land, and enabling rich media as a fringe benefit, as media would be direct between endpoints.
I have a proof of concept and am wondering who out there might be willing to do some testing.
Email me directly if interested, to talk about your network and how something like this might fit in.
Cheers,
Jawaid
On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 1:49?PM Mary Lou Carey via VoiceOps < voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
If you already have SS7 services via Sigtran then going into a Frontier area would just be a matter of adding another SS7 for that tandem.
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On 2023-10-12 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* We take SIGTRAN over IPSec over the public Internet, then convert to SS7 over DS1s in some old Ciscos.
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From: "Nick Olsen" <nick at 141networks.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:04:03 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
We use them at $DAYJOB. We've had no issues with syniverse themselves in the recent years while I've been at the company. But plenty of issues with the transport providers to reach them. Luckily never both at the same time. Including a number of instances of flapping. Note, these are A-Links over TDM, not SIGTRAN at this time.
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 4:22?PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
Anyone in here using Syniverse for these services and can speak to their reliability?
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:59:14 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
There are pros and cons to everything. It sounds like in your case you may just want to keep your ISUP trunks and SS7 links, but maybe look at another provider for SS7. Syniverse is also an option but I'm not sure if their service has gone downhill like TNS' apparently has.
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On 2022-01-25 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but as I said earlier, I'm already in the same building as the tandem, so I'm just adding points of failure for moving an existing operation somewhere else.
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From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 10:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
When you use a PSTN connection provider you route your traffic to them
via SIP and they handle all the SS7 so you can eliminate your direct LIS trunks with the LEC and your SS7 Links.
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On 2022-01-23 05:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Well right, but wouldn't I still need all of the same stuff (perhaps a > few less trunks to specific switches, only now I have fewer minutes to > spread the costs over? > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > ------------------------- > > From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> > To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> > Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM > Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape > > Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through > these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the > local LEC's legacy network. > >> On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> >> wrote: >> >> Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until >> the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES >> for expansion markets, though. >> >> Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as >> the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large >> customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for >> failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the >> operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 >> diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call >> path. >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com [1] >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> http://www.midwest-ix.com [2] >> >> ------------------------- >> >> From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> >> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> >> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> >> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape >> >> Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems >> (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make >> and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on >> it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the >> worse it's gonna get. >> >> TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore. >> >>> On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand >>> them to be a big dog in that space. >>> >>> I've had two major problems with them in six months. >>> >>> What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant? >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com [1] >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com [2] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> VoiceOps mailing list >>> VoiceOps at voiceops.org >>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > > > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://www.ics-il.com/ > [2] http://www.midwest-ix.com/ > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps at voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
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Jawaid,
On 17 Oct 2023, at 17:15, Jawaid Bazyar via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
This idea would not be a carrier - it would be a pure tandem, or "exchange point for SIP", more like how internet exchange points operate. And it would work across all carriers in the North American Numbering Plan. You would not have to be a subscriber of a particular reseller/carrier.
I'm sorry to inform that this is not a new idea. There have been literally dozens upon dozens of such "TDM killer" / "tandem killer" / "HD codec hub" ventures in the last 20 years. They have not been commercially viable. -- Alex -- Alex Balashov Principal Consultant Evariste Systems LLC Web: https://evaristesys.com Tel: +1-706-510-6800
Trying to learn, not be snippy. If I have to maintain any of the old way, what's the advantage in moving any of it elsewhere? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:01:01 AM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape Even without IPES you can switch your feature group D to voip through these aggregators and get rid of basically everything that isn't the local LEC's legacy network. On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:03 PM, Mike Hammett < voiceops at ics-il.net > wrote: Sure, but then I just transfer the problem to someone else, until the traditional PSTN goes away or modernizes. I am working on IPES for expansion markets, though. Also, for my home LATA, I'm needing to be in the same building as the primary tandem, so it's kind of a selling point for large customers in that area that I would have fewer opportunities for failures. I don't have to go to Chicago and back to get to the operator in the next row of racks over. Though, I suppose my SS7 diversity and availability is the weakness, not the actual call path. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Timmins" < paul at timmins.net > To: "Mike Hammett" < voiceops at ics-il.net > Cc: "voiceops" < voiceops at voiceops.org > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:46:46 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape Reduce your reliance on it more and more. Switch to IP tandems (Inteliquent/Peerless/etc) and ip interconnect. The people who make and support SS7 equipment are in a dying market, the brain drain on it is immense as people retire, and the longer you rely on it, the worse it's gonna get. TNS is a big dog in the space. But that's not saying much anymore. <blockquote> On Jan 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett < voiceops at ics-il.net > wrote: We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space. I've had two major problems with them in six months. What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops </blockquote>
Any experience with Inteliquent for SS7\SIGTRAN services? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> To: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 9:00:04 AM Subject: SS7 Landscape We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space. I've had two major problems with them in six months. What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Yes.? Any particular questions? On 2023-10-24 08:18, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps wrote:
Any experience with Inteliquent for SS7\SIGTRAN services?
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: *"Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> *To: *"voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> *Sent: *Saturday, January 22, 2022 9:00:04 AM *Subject: *SS7 Landscape
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
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Recommend\don't recommend? Anything to watch out for? The offer I got was attractive, but not everything that's attractive is what it seems. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Johnston via VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> To: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 3:05:40 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape Yes. Any particular questions? On 2023-10-24 08:18, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps wrote: Any experience with Inteliquent for SS7\SIGTRAN services? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> To: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 9:00:04 AM Subject: SS7 Landscape We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space. I've had two major problems with them in six months. What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps at voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
You'd be better off getting into Sinch's (formerly Inteliquent) PSTN Connection service.InfoBip (formerly Peerless) and Wide Voice also offer PSTN connection services. It allows you to keep your own NXXs and interconnect with the ILECs through their SS7 switch so you don't need your own. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2023-10-24 03:11 PM, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps wrote:
Recommend\don't recommend? Anything to watch out for?
The offer I got was attractive, but not everything that's attractive is what it seems.
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From: "Mike Johnston via VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> To: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 3:05:40 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Yes. Any particular questions?
On 2023-10-24 08:18, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps wrote:
Any experience with Inteliquent for SS7\SIGTRAN services?
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From: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> To: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 9:00:04 AM Subject: SS7 Landscape
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
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We aren't interested in abandoning our TDM infrastructure at this time, given that we're already in the the tandem CO for other reasons. If we were to do that, local calls would be tromboning through Chicago. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> Cc: "Mike Johnston" <mjohnston at wiktel.com>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 3:18:13 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape You'd be better off getting into Sinch's (formerly Inteliquent) PSTN Connection service.InfoBip (formerly Peerless) and Wide Voice also offer PSTN connection services. It allows you to keep your own NXXs and interconnect with the ILECs through their SS7 switch so you don't need your own. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111 On 2023-10-24 03:11 PM, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps wrote:
Recommend\don't recommend? Anything to watch out for?
The offer I got was attractive, but not everything that's attractive is what it seems.
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From: "Mike Johnston via VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> To: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 3:05:40 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape
Yes. Any particular questions?
On 2023-10-24 08:18, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps wrote:
Any experience with Inteliquent for SS7\SIGTRAN services?
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From: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> To: "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 9:00:04 AM Subject: SS7 Landscape
We currently get our SS7 via TNS. I (maybe incorrectly) understand them to be a big dog in that space.
I've had two major problems with them in six months.
What are my alternatives? Are they less pleasant?
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On 2023-10-24 15:11, Mike Hammett wrote:
Recommend\don't recommend? Anything to watch out for?
The offer I got was attractive, but not everything that's attractive is what it seems.
We used to have Onvoy/Inteliquent SS7 via TDM, which was reliable.? Two A-Links, to two geographically diverse STPs.? When faults did occur, it was almost always with a carrier in the middle (e.g., a fiber cut). We are trying to move away from T1s.? But some telcos that we interconnect with have not yet realized the benefits of SIP.? As such, we still need SS7, in some form or another.? Also, our LNP lookups are over SS7. Several months ago we migrated to SIGTRAN, staying with Inteliquent, now called Sinch.? They helped us through the migration process, which went quite smooth overall. The IP connections are over VPN tunnels, to two geographically diverse VPN endpoints.? We connect to two geographically diverse STPs through those VPN tunnels (one STP per VPN tunnel).? One thing that I don't like, though, is that the VPN endpoints are not located near the STPs.? The STPs are located somewhat near me (same state & next state over), but the VPN endpoints are multiple states away, meaning the IP traffic trombones around the US.? This has not caused us any actual problems, though. In general, yes, I would recommend Inteliquent/Since for SS7/SIGTRAN.? They have been good to us, and reliable. Note: I was not involved in any of the money conversations.? Just the technical conversations.
My current vendor has a similar setup. One VPN endpoint and STP are in the same market. The other are 1k miles apart. No idea why they'd do that. It seems like it would introduce extra opportunities for failure. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Johnston" <mjohnston at wiktel.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net>, "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 4:45:59 PM Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 Landscape On 2023-10-24 15:11, Mike Hammett wrote: Recommend\don't recommend? Anything to watch out for? The offer I got was attractive, but not everything that's attractive is what it seems. We used to have Onvoy/Inteliquent SS7 via TDM, which was reliable. Two A-Links, to two geographically diverse STPs. When faults did occur, it was almost always with a carrier in the middle (e.g., a fiber cut). We are trying to move away from T1s. But some telcos that we interconnect with have not yet realized the benefits of SIP. As such, we still need SS7, in some form or another. Also, our LNP lookups are over SS7. Several months ago we migrated to SIGTRAN, staying with Inteliquent, now called Sinch. They helped us through the migration process, which went quite smooth overall. The IP connections are over VPN tunnels, to two geographically diverse VPN endpoints. We connect to two geographically diverse STPs through those VPN tunnels (one STP per VPN tunnel). One thing that I don't like, though, is that the VPN endpoints are not located near the STPs. The STPs are located somewhat near me (same state & next state over), but the VPN endpoints are multiple states away, meaning the IP traffic trombones around the US. This has not caused us any actual problems, though. In general, yes, I would recommend Inteliquent/Since for SS7/SIGTRAN. They have been good to us, and reliable. Note: I was not involved in any of the money conversations. Just the technical conversations.
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